Turn 5 Downed by JP Group? Exploits or Legit?

[Xilrasis]

Ulduar with the flower buff stealing from mages is first that comes to mind. Forgot guild name but they did a few more and never got banned because they reported and people put it on that one site as record. They EU based not the NA one. They one that said "hard more yogg impossible" till STARS did it.

Yeah Hodir with flower power on mages was questionable, but I'm pretty sure they got the first legitimate kill as well anyway. I can't remember for certain.

As for Yogg, it was touted as a mathematical impossibility (rather than a mechanical one) and stars simply mathematically stacked more affliction warlocks than everyone else. :P. Eventually gear levels reached the point that this was no longer necessary, but hardly an exploit.

[Yuichi]

Yeah Hodir with flower power on mages was questionable, but I'm pretty sure they got the first legitimate kill as well anyway. I can't remember for certain.

As for Yogg, it was touted as a mathematical impossibility (rather than a mechanical one) and stars simply mathematically stacked more affliction warlocks than everyone else. :P. Eventually gear levels reached the point that this was no longer necessary, but hardly an exploit.

yeah the Star was not an exploit just super smart planing. The other guild got kills after exploits. not Exodus it was like SK gaming or something. Anyways it happened no biggie, this is curious to me. Especially turn 3 secret boss.

[Deculture]

Ensidia didn't get touched for flower power. The Yogg exploit was reported to GMs (a long with a lengthy explanation on how to replicate it) and everyone involved still got 72hr bans. The only other WoTLK exploit that I recall was normal 25m LK, where Ensidia got banned for saronite bombing the throne down to avoid I think the valks in the last phase. I didn't play during Cata but a lot of guilds got banned in Dragon Soul for abusing something iirc.

But yeah, offtopic.

[Zdenka]

Thank you for the story Pinch, I was interested reading that.

[Xilrasis]

Thanks for the refresher on Yogg. It's been a while and my memory isn't what it used to be. My statement was more of a tongue in cheek reference to the circumstances, though, and how widely professed this mathematical impossibility was at the time STARS killed it. I had totally forgotten about the Exodus and Ensidia exploits, also. I do not miss healing it as a paladin.

Also -- Pinch -- what guild were you in? For some reason, I draw a line to vodka. I don't remember who was US first on Yogg 0, and I'm on my phone so its tough to check that far back to Yogg-0.

[Pinch]

Premonition

Still in that guild, stuck on turn 5 too. Not as hardcore as we used to be, though.

[Teloc]

It's ok, it is bugged. Anyone with a brain would see that. The fact that the same skill performs differently even though the player performs the exact same thing as last time. Worshiping SE and saying nothing is wrong will only hurt the game. SE bragging about the fact no one has killed it when there are bugs in the fight preventing people from killing it just makes them look bad. IE AV all over.

[MeowyWowie]

It's ok, it is bugged. Anyone with a brain would see that. The fact that the same skill performs differently even though the player performs the exact same thing as last time. Worshiping SE and saying nothing is wrong will only hurt the game. SE bragging about the fact no one has killed it when there are bugs in the fight preventing people from killing it just makes them look bad. IE AV all over.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your FC say the same thing about divebombs? How come that is no longer an issue?

I don't have nearly as much experience on Twintania as you guys, nor do I claim to, but I just find it odd that you'd complain about the divebomb phase being bugged or broken or otherwise unpredictable, then somehow you're able to manage passing it without any hiccups and now you're complaining about the same exact thing, just a different phase of the fight.

[Xilrasis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your FC say the same thing about divebombs? How come that is no longer an issue?

I don't have nearly as much experience on Twintania as you guys, nor do I claim to, but I just find it odd that you'd complain about the divebomb phase being bugged or broken or otherwise unpredictable, then somehow you're able to manage passing it without any hiccups and now you're complaining about the same exact thing, just a different phase of the fight.

What do you find odd about it? We've never said that we suddenly believe it is working correctly and is no longer an issue. In fact, I'm of the opinion that the source of twister and divebomb problems are one and the same. Congratulations on recognizing that they are the exact same thing.

I'd wager money that any guilds consistently passing divebomb phase without hits are likely using the same cheesy "strategy".