Quote Originally Posted by Hachiko View Post
This is absolutely not true. A PLD in Sword Oath spamming Rage of Halone combo will ALWAYS pull off of any tank in the game assuming relatively equal gear. It is the highest enmity generation per second in the game. As a WAR there is no way you could hold aggro off of a paladin in sword oath spamming RoH.

In fact, this is the only reason PLD Dps isn't very viable as an off-tank: they can't do it without pulling aggro.
Your entire premise is predicated upon the idea that the enmity generation increase from Defiance and Shield Oath is only enough to offset the reduction in damage dealt, which is not true. It may not be 2x like it used to be, but it is most definitely more than enough to offset the reduction in damage dealt. I know this because I've tanked while in Defiance and while outside of Defiance; I generate noticeably more enmity while in Defiance than while outside of it.

Sword Oath equates to, roughly, a 17.5% increase in total DPS without it active. If Shield Oath provides a 50% increase in enmity generation, it would equate to generating 20% more enmity than capable while outside of it. And that's a conservative estimate, honestly, because the enmity generation increase that I've seen is definitely more than a 2.12% increase. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually a 2x multiplier still, because that would be a 36% increase in total enmity generation. A 75% increase in enmity generation is a 19.1% increase.

I can tell you that even a PLD spamming Halone can't pull off of me while I'm playing a WAR or PLD, and I've seen them try. If the tank actually knows how to maximize their enmity generation rather than just doing barely enough, like spamming BB or not using CoS/SW, a tank playing DPS isn't going to be able to pull off of them. A bad tank is going to get a dps PLD ripping off of them insanely easily.