Turn 5 Downed by JP Group? Exploits or Legit?

[Ariyn]

I block and parry about 30% sometimes it goes as low as 27 and other times i've seen it at 32...but on average it's a pretty steady 30%..but I only went 15/15

While I have enjoyed the misinformation in this thread figured I'd point you in the right direction.

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=227

This is a list of the parry/block break points. The only thing str is good for is if you are close enough to reach one of these said break points. As anything over them nets you zero gain. It is actually an EHP loss to put points into str over them. This is why the vast majority of pld's are going full vit until BiS gear. There is no way to predict where the points need to be in str with the randomness of drops. Instead we go full VIT so we are not wasting them. In full BiS gear you need 7 points in str (think it was 7 anyway) to reach the next tier.

You would need around 404 str to sustain a 30% block without cd's. So while you may think that putting any points into str is helping you it really isn't. This was theorycrafted to death since beta 3.

[Kalandros]

Just to make sure.. as of right now.. no one has beaten Turn 5 legit?

[ruinedmirage]

Too bad Coil 5 doesn't have a comment section somewhere in the game. The groups (whatever their names were) could've wrote some important, philosophical message like "FIRST!!11!!!1" or something.

[Sephirah]

You're wrong, I had 5.8k pre defiance in a full party with 4 pieces of AK gear.

Paladin and Warrior HP are COMPLETELY different. You can't say "because a WAR has 5.8k hp in AK gear so can a PLD"

It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for a PALADIN to have 5.8k hp WITHOUT food in mostly AK gear. 1 or 2 pieces sure, but all those others are going to be DL, AF2, Allagan.

[Faction]

Paladin and Warrior HP are COMPLETELY different. You can't say "because a WAR has 5.8k hp in AK gear so can a PLD"

It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for a PALADIN to have 5.8k hp WITHOUT food in mostly AK gear. 1 or 2 pieces sure, but all those others are going to be DL, AF2, Allagan.

PAL and WAR base health is about a 5 vit difference assuming same race... lol

"COMPLETELY" different

tell me more about something you haven't researched at all

[Pellegri]

PAL and WAR base health is about a 5 vit difference assuming same race... lol

"COMPLETELY" different

tell me more about something you haven't researched at all

He's not talking about "base" health, he's talking about health between paladins and warriors considering paladins do not get a self buff for their health like warriors do. You ever seen a warrior with 2k+ health than a paladin in equivalent gear? well that's all because of that magical defiance buff that you seem to have failed to notice since you think the health between pal/war is the same. Please do not say "well my health without defiance is the same as a paladins", well guess what if you aren't using defiance as a warrior you're a bad warrior if you're tanking anything(paladins do not get a health buff with their enmity buff like wars do).

[Syncness]

PAL and WAR base health is about a 5 vit difference assuming same race... lol

"COMPLETELY" different

tell me more about something you haven't researched at all

I'm no Warrior, but don't they have a skill that increased health by 25% or something?

[Sephirah]

He's not talking about "base" health, he's talking about health between paladins and warriors considering paladins do not get a self buff for their health like warriors do. You ever seen a warrior with 2k+ health than a paladin in equivalent gear? well that's all because of that magical defiance buff that you seem to have failed to notice since you think the health between pal/war is the same. Please do not say "well my health without defiance is the same as a paladins", well guess what if you aren't using defiance as a warrior you're a bad warrior if you're tanking anything(paladins do not get a health buff with their enmity buff like wars do).

Thank you.

Also Faction, assuming you did have 5.8k with 4 pieces of AK gear (without defiance), I'm assuming those 4 pieces were your neck/ears/wrists/ring. Because the difference in VIT on AK accessories and DL is 2 per piece, or 8 VIT. Which would net you a total of 116. If all your other gear was DL then this sounds about right. However I get the feeling you only said "4 pieces" to give people the impression you were wearing the helm/chest/legs/boots from AK. And assuming you were being a "good" warrior and using defiance, that would bring that 5.8K upto 7.25K. Paladins do not get this luxury.

Fact of the matter is, obtaining HP of that lvl is not possible without a good amount of your inventory being above AK. It doesn't have to be every item, but saying someone wearing an AK tabard can't legitimately clear coils is just flat out wrong. (EVEN THOUGH this wasn't a legitimate kill, if that HP got him through turn 4, then chances are it'll hold up for turn 5. Edit - and just to be clear, I'm not saying that having the highest HP possible doesn't HELP, obviously the more the better :P)

To give people a baseline to compare, I have all 30 of my bonus stats in VIT, I have my relic sword/shield, both +1, and all my gear is DL, except for one of my rings and my necklace which are from AK. With the increase from food/party, I'm at 5865ish HP. Replacing that necklace with DL will MAYBE get my hp to break 5.9k, but that's about it. Past that a Paladin has nowhere to look for upgrades aside from Coils, AF2, or crafted items.

[Ariyn]

How did this turn into a discussion on pld vs war hp for turn 5? Doesn't matter what class u rolled lol. As a PLD you need 6.2k for turn 5. If not then dam close or you run the risk of getting gibbed. Is it possible without? Definitely. Just gives you a buffer that's all. As for a WAR ... there's a reason everyone who had WAR's for turn 4 don't have them anymore. Reroll PLD till they fix the broken WAR

[MrEzekial]

Just to make sure.. as of right now.. no one has beaten Turn 5 legit?

No one has passed twisters yet. They are believed to be bugged.