XIV WAR Tanking - Baseline Mitigation and PLD comparison

[Leiron]

Technically there was no time limit mentioned, so "waiting for the 2.1 patch in order to get Crystal Tower gear" might count...

And there's always a little room for a little more practice.

A Paladin will ALWAYS beat a Warrior in terms of eHP and survivability.
At the moment if they are both in full iL90 gear, Paladin is ahead, going into crystal tower gear which is iL80 gear won't change it unfortunately.

Its just a result of design.
Warrior needs some sort of actual lasting mitigation.

[javid]

Lively talk.... Great demonstration in OP. The reality of it all is one class is EASIER. Therefore the majority of medicore/average gamers will prefer the simpler way to play (they find it more enjoyable that way). In the other hand countless pro's and well matched players have completed similar HIGH END CONTENT (aka Titan, Coil, etc.) with the "inferior" class showing themselves SUPERIOR (hardcore) champions of the game (BOTH THE WARRIOR AND THE HEALERS WHO HEAL THEM).



However....soon enough SE will been to the WILL of their fans and water down this "HARDCORE" play much to some serious WARRIOR's dismay. I however...if it has to change... hope they dont equate the classes... I hope they find a way to scale the class to the CONTENT... I like to see in the future that WARRIOR's are for PRO's not the regular joe (PLD, which in a previous post anyone can be while eating a bowl of cereal and talking to their BF on skype)....

my suggested FAN ADJUSTMENT would not be to DEFIANCE or to WRATH but to INNER BEAST. Make it a lv 50 Passive trait bonus that only proc in FULL PARTY. I don't know the right % bonus.... but say 500% Inner Beast absorbs.

500% would scale very very well to CONTENT. (that should be the point of the discussion... not class vs class.... we all already know and are well convinced....PLD is the beginner's/average player class)

Similar to how MONK takes higher skill than DRAGOON.

[Jediman]

I would like the WAR to be a DPS class because WAR class's would want the same thing as PLD resulting in uneven class.
Or they can all ways turn WAR into dark knight in final fantasy XI lol I let them gain more hp when using the skill.

[VahnValbosce]

I'm the OP

I posted alot of raw data.

All this is raw data and has nothing to do with actual testing in a fight. Just would like to say that nobody has beaten Twintania, so that's just out the window for now. As far as Turn 4 is concerned, you have to know WHEN to pop your defensive GCD's and when to use your offensives, it's just that simple. All this spread sheet stuff does nothing. WAR is NOT a mitigation tank like PLD is, but it does not mean we don't have defensive abilities to use at PROPER timing. That is why WAR takes skill and the reward for that is more DMG output for the group overall.

[Terabyt3]

All this is raw data and has nothing to do with actual testing in a fight. Just would like to say that nobody has beaten Twintania, so that's just out the window for now. As far as Turn 4 is concerned, you have to know WHEN to pop your defensive GCD's and when to use your offensives, it's just that simple. All this spread sheet stuff does nothing. WAR is NOT a mitigation tank like PLD is, but it does not mean we don't have defensive abilities to use at PROPER timing. That is why WAR takes skill and the reward for that is more DMG output for the group overall.

The only difference is PLD is proactive, war is reactive. The dps is the same.

PLD mitigation scales WARs does not. To say any different is just a lie.

[VahnValbosce]

The only difference is PLD is proactive, war is reactive. The dps is the same.

The DPS is NOT the same.

PLD has to use Shield Oath and what Offensive cooldowns do they have? Tell me please. When they are busy blowing defensive GCD's all the time? I see crits for 900 sometimes with an average of 250-350 and 450 crits on my regular rotation. Where's that damage? LOL.

I can't wait to down Turn 4 as WAR so I can just run around town telling everyone, I won't forget to get a screenshot either. Just FYI, I started tanking turn 4 last night and the only problems we all were having was DPS was slow, (might need different DPS comp or just better gear) I was tanking FINE.

[VahnValbosce]

PLD mitigation scales WARs does not. To say any different is just a lie.

Higher HP Pool and +15% more constant healing on me than a PLD. We don't have mitigation like a PLD, but there is no serious issue man. People really need to chillax and wait till I down turn 4 tonight or tomorrow.

Also, SCH helps. I guess this is coming from groups that run 2 WHM's lol.

Oh, and WAR is the scapegoat for bad healing, just thought you should know.

[Terabyt3]

the higher hp pool is only there to allow us to take a hit and THEN recover.

i cant even be botehred to argue this point any longer. No one cares how many turns youve downed there is more strain on healers and DPS IS THE SAME. go do teh maths and run some parser tests mate. just cause we have big axes does mean we're a dps.

PLD shield oath is your answer to lower dps? Are you special? Read the tooltip for defiance mate. then Shield oath. Then give yourself a slap.



Regardless of how you compare above 450~ incoming dps paladin is better. PLD's mitigation scales. WARs does not. It's basic mathematics.

No one said coils or content are inpossible so stop with the d**k swinging.

Edit: See post #44 if you're having trouble accepting this Vahn. It put it in simplest terms. There is a point where PLD becomes a better tank than WAR. That point is somewhere before Titan HM. Numbers can't lie bud and the numbers show the diference between static mitigation and scaling mitigation.

[VahnValbosce]

i cant even be botehred to argue this point any longer.

No need to get upset.

I fail to see how when I pop Convalescence that +35% more healing towards me does not compensate, because that is huge. Not to mention Featherfoot, Awareness and Foresight. I don't get it, why don't you put down the excel spreadsheet and ACTUALLY give WAR a chance. Not to mention a constant 15% more healing all the time and 10% increased crit rate somehow lowers my DPS to be worse than PLD? I don't think you're running the numbers on that one.

What turn are you on in coil? I'm on Turn 4 and tanking fine. I know when to rotate my defensive GCD's at certain parts during fights in order to maximize my tanking potential. The game is not just a huge excel document. I think either you have bad healers or you're getting upset at all the WAR hate and not realizing that it's a load of baloney when you actually think for yourself.

[VahnValbosce]

PLD shield oath is your answer to lower dps? Are you special? Read the tooltip for defiance mate. then Shield oath. Then give yourself a slap.

I can see you're mad, but to say that PLD does overall more DPS than warrior is just ridiculous.

I'll be back when Turn 4 is down with a screenshot.