Info on the Lodestone!

[Eldaena]

I didn't say lore was irrelevant, Im just saying that the presentation of the lore, when presented on a website, is contextually inappropriate. This is a video game first and foremost, so it stands to reason that the game exist primarily on its own merits, not with support from a third party source (official website, for example).

I acknowledge that it is SE's style to be elaborate and verbose on their websites, but perhaps in the future they should save that for the game world and take a more clinical approach for the website.

We spend our whole time trying to see behind the literary facade they spin for us to see what the actual 'content' is that eventually the artistic flare that might otherwise be appreciated just became an additional hassle.

People wanted an official site and forums for transparency, not to be lead around yet again.

Having the information and lore of this nature is more easily presented to the player base through the official website. Having a way to bring it to us in game would take more time, more programming...and many people are already telling SE they have little time to turn it around. I think we should be focusing on the lore/information rather than the presentation.

SE has been surprisingly transparent. I never thought there would be some dialogue between producers and developers with the player base before this game. I'm starting to feel like players are becoming a little too self-righteous...feeling they deserve every single detail on their command...and things just don't work that way. We should be grateful for what we get, not demand information, then get information, and turn right back around and complain about it.

Having the information to ponder, speculate, consider, and just think about is entertaining in itself. Someone like yourself who has over 1k in posts, must know of this. I'm sure you post out of some enjoyment so don't act like any information given isn't another chance for you to debate, chat, even possibly troll over the content given. It's good for everyone and people just need to stop looking at YOU in the mouth.

Any news is better than no news.

[Physic]

Story should be on console games

this is MMORPG, everyone logged in to fight together

who care about NPC's story stuff? everyone can create their own adventure with real players

a lot of ppl who enjoy the game at this moment is...
- crafter nerds
- pointless world explorers
- people who doing story quests alone
- people who don't really want to level up their characters
- RP

you suck, mmo isnt mmoRPG it needs to have a large exploreable world, back story and mainstory, if that existing bothers you, then you shouldnt be playing any form of rpg


as to the lodestone versus ingame, it should be ingame in some form, the game never tells you to check lodestone, for people who play mostly the game, lodestone does not exist. I understand why it may be cheaper right now, but they need to get more stuff in game. It shouldnt continue to be the case that you need some outside force to enjoy the actual game, they could even make a mini quest to get newspapers/articles and make the actual game even more enjoyable. I ll let it pass right now, but they need to work on getting this type of stuff in game in the future. it really shouldnt be that hard.

[gifthorse]

More grade A BS from Evangela.

Just because you don't like something (at least I think you don't ? I really can't tell from your horrific english), doesn't mean you can talk for the whole community. The vast majority of the things you post seem to be awful, poorly thought out complaints and stupidity, probably just going to ignore it from now on.

Just because you don't agree with Evangela doesn't mean the opinion is irrelevant.

It's funny you say she doesn't talk for the whole community and yet you would obviously like very much to talk for the community yourself. Newsflash, she is part of the community.

It's a valid point. Maybe there are people who like reading FFXIV fanfiction online, but there are lots of people that just like playing the video game they signed up for instead.

[gifthorse]

Having the information and lore of this nature is more easily presented to the player base through the official website. Having a way to bring it to us in game would take more time, more programming...and many people are already telling SE they have little time to turn it around. I think we should be focusing on the lore/information rather than the presentation.

SE has been surprisingly transparent. I never thought there would be some dialogue between producers and developers with the player base before this game. I'm starting to feel like players are becoming a little too self-righteous...feeling they deserve every single detail on their command...and things just don't work that way. We should be grateful for what we get, not demand information, then get information, and turn right back around and complain about it.

Having the information to ponder, speculate, consider, and just think about is entertaining in itself. Someone like yourself who has over 1k in posts, must know of this. I'm sure you post out of some enjoyment so don't act like any information given isn't another chance for you to debate, chat, even possibly troll over the content given. It's good for everyone and people just need to stop looking at YOU in the mouth.

Any news is better than no news.

Well for future reference they should consider presenting this information within the confines of the medium they are using. They made a FFXIV PC game. Not a FFXIV website.

[Elexia]

Well do you think you'd win an Oscar for Best Picture if you made half a movie on the big screen and then half in a pamphlet that you get with your movie tickets?

Who knows, since some movies these days sound better in the synopsis than it actually ends up being when you watch it.

Still doesn't change the fact it's not a crime nor sin for MMORPGs to have their website utilized, because as someone said, the people complaining for this to be "in-game" aren't going to bother reading it all. The Vanadiel Tribune was like this and no one read it after awhile so they discontinued it, you could also access it through the POL viewer, which by people's logic, isn't a "3rd party source", yet people still stopped caring for lore and teasers.

Most MMORPG players these days don't care for storyline or lore, Evangela is the best example because all he does is bitch about it being done, so in reality, the best thing SE can do is put it on the website for those that do actually care about it because a lot people didn't care for the existing storyline and lore in-game so why would they begin to now?

[Eldaena]

Just because you don't agree with Evangela doesn't mean the opinion is irrelevant.

It's funny you say she doesn't talk for the whole community and yet you would obviously like very much to talk for the community yourself. Newsflash, she is part of the community.

It's a valid point. Maybe there are people who like reading FFXIV fanfiction online, but there are lots of people that just like playing the video game they signed up for instead.

Fanfiction makes no sense. This lore is made by the creators, not the fans. Obviously, this is just fiction, which....oh my gosh...this is an mmorpg! A final FANTASY even.... Really? Are you going to keep at this?

[Maverick_Hawkeye]

Its shocking how many people are burying their heads in the sand in these forums...

The 'update' really was just a short story.. nothing more... there is no information here..... I'm shocked that people still adamently defend this approach!!!

And as for 'transparency'- This game is far from it... we have no idea about anything thats happening..... (which is fine) but don't start saying that this has the most transperancy you've ever seen from an MMO!! You either have no MMO/video game experience... or your head is just THAT far up S-E's butt...

Take the update for what it is... a story... not information... but if you'd like to take the carrot and chase it for another week.... enjoy....

[Eldaena]

Well for future reference they should consider presenting this information within the confines of the medium they are using. They made a FFXIV PC game. Not a FFXIV website.

Obviously the game is more than just that. IT is also the community. We have an official website. And an official forum. Both things you frequent. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have it presented to us in game, but to expect it is asking quite a bit.

[gifthorse]

Who knows, since some movies these days sound better in the synopsis than it actually ends up being when you watch it.

Still doesn't change the fact it's not a crime nor sin for MMORPGs to have their website utilized, because as someone said, the people complaining for this to be "in-game" aren't going to bother reading it all. The Vanadiel Tribune was like this and no one read it after awhile so they discontinued it, you could also access it through the POL viewer, which by people's logic, isn't a "3rd party source", yet people still stopped caring for lore and teasers.

Most MMORPG players these days don't care for storyline or lore, Evangela is the best example because all he does is bitch about it being done, so in reality, the best thing SE can do is put it on the website for those that do actually care about it because a lot people didn't care for the existing storyline and lore in-game so why would they begin to now?

Exactly, nobody cares. Why waste breath at all, let alone so much of it.

The only reason anyone even reads the lore is because they are trying to ascertain the "content" and "gameplay mechanics" which it conceals within.

[Starlord]

Fanfiction makes no sense. This lore is made by the creators, not the fans. Obviously, this is just fiction, which....oh my gosh...this is an mmorpg! A final FANTASY even.... Really? Are you going to keep at this?

Some people just don't like to read books? well as much I admit I don't like reading, FF related stories are like the only things I do read lol. Because of their immerse storytelling =)