FFXIV: ARR becoming TORtanic

[Alhanelem]

I hope Square Enix remembers that first impressions last

And I hope you remember that most of the things you listed won't be impressed on people when they first play.

While I certainly can't wait for PvP, few if any people are buying the game specifically because of it. So that shouldn't take away from anybody's first impression.

The amount of content available at endgame at an MMO's launch is irrelevant to someone seeing the game on the shelf or just starting out, so again, not a problem for first impressions.

There are vanity items- There is gear without much statistical value that looks good, and there are vanity pets. That's a pretty good start if you ask me.

Bottom line, you can't expect any MMO to have all the features of a years-old MMO right on day 1.

- No server transfers upon launch

Haven't played an MMO that had server transfers on launch, and it's generally intentional.

- Little incentive to do a max level alt class, leveling them is entirely dependent
Upon mindless Fates grinding and minuscule leve quests, seriously why shouldn't
former low lvl quests reset for a low level alt?

Little incentive to level another class? What? You have EVERY incentive to level another class- it makes you more versatile. So what if leveling your 2nd class is a little less easy than the first? That still doesn't remove the benefits of doing it.

- Worthless monster drops that give nothing but stupid crafting materials

What, are regular monsters supposed to drop darklight gear? Name a game that has regular monsters drop cool stuff. I can't think of one.

We aren't "white knighting." We are countering your arguments which have little or no merit.

I agree on many points, but your point No.1 PVP. Doesn't really hold any weight, this is a 100% pure PVE game, and it will never have PvP outside of a trivial token feature

You're actually wrong here. PvP is going to be a lot more than a "trivial token feature." There are multiple PvP events in the works, there are special actions earnable in PvP, armor sets, the works. No WORLD PvP does not mean that the PvP that does exist will be trivial.

[makii]

If PvP matter that much to you, this is the wrong game. Sure they will implement some sort of PvP, but it will never be the main focus (thank god).

[Reslin]

Lol GW2 is not a flop. It's doing really really well. Lots of people playing it, from recent blog they posted average logins per day and I believe it is close to or even exceeding FF 14 atm.

Like said, problem with GW2 is it has no trinity; I love playing healers but sadly healing in GW2 is pretty worthless and ineffectual so here I am playing FF 14 for now.

I am in GW2 during this down time on my ele and it has tons of players every where.

Not even close but to be fair FFXIV is still new which means it might experience a drop off as most new mmo's do at some point. Guild Wars is another mmo I play. According to their recent data there's around 2.5 million unique logins each week. FFXIV gets 617,000 unique logins each day. That puts FFXIV at over 4,300,000 each week. Nearly double that number.

[OxTitan]

I can name you a myriad of mmos: Ragnarok Online, Rising Force Online, Tera Online and a dozen more Korean mmos


The White Knights are already defending their masters I see

And yet, here you are playing this game....

I guess those games were so good you had to leave them to play a game that makes you unhappy. Seems like you have a fetish for being unhappy.

[Meleoffs]

If people feel as you say, "Crafting is very boring and inconsequential and a majority of players have no interest
In wasting their time crafting wherein they could be doing other more fun stuff", then why do I see hundreds of people in every city...oh I don't know crafting frantically?

If you can't make gil with crafting then maybe you need more work on figuring out what to craft. All of my crafts are mid to low level, yet in the last 36 hours I went from 500 gil to nearly 50k. You just have to look at the Market Board and the answers are there...

To expand on that, with a single level 50 craft I can put a single item on the market boards and 2 hours later have 42k... Expand on the idea that crafters sell lots of items, I can make HQ version of all the crafter gear, stick them on the AH, and most likely within a day or 2 have a good 400k.

[xxSHEPERDxx]

I agree with that. Open up all those story missions are replay options when you switch to an alt class. Fate grinding is 'the suck'.

[Raxion]

And yet, here you are playing this game....

I guess those games were so good you had to leave them to play a game that makes you unhappy. Seems like you have a fetish for being unhappy.

What can he say? He's quite an enlightened masochist.

[nimrod]

100% agree with OP.

[GarionVale]

I'm almost starting to think the OP is just trolling on this thread, but either way people have brought up many good points that you have chosen to ignore and only comment on the ones you want to comment on.

But either way.... If you don't like the game don't play it. If you don't like how it is now, then put it on hold and come back after 2.1 or later patch. And if you are having fun then continue playing. No point fighting over things like if you like crafting. (enjoy getting a relic if no one is there to craft you the base weapon)

[Meleoffs]

Especially since the games he referenced are widely accepted as the grindiest of of pointless grindyness games.