Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

[Balaur]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><

I know of what you speak. Fortunately, I only have some DL and Peltast gear, but even I can take the Summoners down fast. I save Steel Peak for them in the packs you need to kill to progress. And despite not having Relic +1 or AF2, I can do this. Last night, our tank was unable to hold aggro against ME on Mark 1. I kept getting Haymaker procs, it was silly. But the mobs went down. Problem is, when tanks can't do that and you get the Vodoriga demons or Hippocerfs tracking over to the Bard or the healer because the tank is unable to keep enmity up while maintaining single target devotion ... then you have tank problems.

As a Marauder, I had to deal with this leveling up in Halatali, where the packs of 3 or 1 4-pack mobs required me to conserve my Flash because of my mana pool. Instead, I tab as I work on my enmity combo, so that not only do I Flash on occasion, but am also actually hitting the targets beyond 1. This makes me feel more sure that the healer is not stealing enmity from me on targets were are not focusing on. You cannot rely on Flash/Provoke.

[Amyas]

Nay, you said you would leave if we picked up aggro, that alone made me rage. What worse than AK is a bad tank who leaves cause deaps are doing too much dmg...

It wasn't 'too much damage' that I'm complaining about chum, you'd know that if you'd bother to read this thread. When I mark a target, I expect it to be burned down, NOT to have to provoke and tomahawk some other trash that should've been slept or on me because a blm wants to tank adds and run away, WHILE STILL ATTACKING IT making any attempts on my part to pull it off them worthless.

I rarely leave dungeons, but if you're a cocky 'overgeared' dd not playing your party role properly, I will.

Attention inferior tanks: learn to tank more than 1 mob at a time regardless of which target your dps decides to hit, you need to learn how to hold multiple mobs that are both being attacked by different dps (cough turn 4 cough)

/grovel So sorry for being 'inferior'.

I know how to hold multiple mobs. l2read.

Take it as a personal challenge to hold aggro at all times regardless of what your team mates do.

No you aren't going to win every time but doing this has kept me improving as a player.


Edit also ignore these jaded dps in here mouthing off about how good they are.

I do usually, especially if there's someone who is new to a dungeon. Actually this is how I've gradually gotten better as War, playing with different people with different play styles in the same dungeon, but a full DL relic'd blm casting before I even pull? And then other 'geared' dds ignoring marks? Bye Bye party. I can only learn so much from running around trying to turn chaos into order, and when no one else is interested in doing so, I can't learn anything.

If you know how to hold multiple mobs that are being attacked then what you're complaining about shouldn't be a problem. Maybe you should learn how to read what you type.

Oh lol. Another non-reader here. So sad that so many people just read what they want to read and continue on railing about something that's not even the issue or topic of the thread without thinking or reading in full.

[Ryios]

Our AK group just goes all out on the stuff. If they pull it they sleep it and or kite it while I provoke, tomahawk etc. And if it's Under 10% hp I'm already running down the dungeon to engage the next pack before they even finish the previous one. I pull 2+ dullhans at once. We are like 5% from killing the first boss before he can get his summon off, and we kill the demon wall before the adds spawn. On the last part we kill 2 succuba's then I pop every CD I have and run straight to the door and die, raise, kill 3rd succubus, kill boss.

When you need myth and your farming ak, running it in 20mins or so compared to an hour is a big deal to people farming it, that's 3 an hour or 1 an hour....

[meldir]

I wonder why DPS think they are god gifts? ... well a lot of them do
Ever seen the bard that runs in circles yelling for the tank to get threat back? ....... still dpsing yep lol cause tanks have a lot of ranged skills
Ever seen the DPS go all out as the tank jumps in the air to do axe throw or shield lob ... no ...... yea your right its the tanks fault...

Ever wonder why there are not many tanks...... Ever wonder if i made they life easier we might have more people enjoy tanking? therefore more tanks

[Lelouch001]

It wasn't 'too much damage' that I'm complaining about chum, you'd know that if you'd bother to read this thread. When I mark a target, I expect it to be burned down, NOT to have to provoke and tomahawk some other trash that should've been slept or on me because a blm wants to tank adds and run away, WHILE STILL ATTACKING IT making any attempts on my part to pull it off them worthless.

I rarely leave dungeons, but if you're a cocky 'overgeared' dd not playing your party role properly, I will.



/grovel So sorry for being 'inferior'.

I know how to hold multiple mobs. l2read.

If you know how to hold multiple mobs that are being attacked then what you're complaining about shouldn't be a problem. Maybe you should learn how to read what you type.

[Soulburn32]

Our AK group just goes all out on the stuff. If they pull it they sleep it and or kite it while I provoke, tomahawk etc. And if it's Under 10% hp I'm already running down the dungeon to engage the next pack before they even finish the previous one. I pull 2+ dullhans at once. We are like 5% from killing the first boss before he can get his summon off, and we kill the demon wall before the adds spawn. On the last part we kill 2 succuba's then I pop every CD I have and run straight to the door and die, raise, kill 3rd succubus, kill boss.

When you need myth and your farming ak, running it in 20mins or so compared to an hour is a big deal to people farming it, that's 3 an hour or 1 an hour....

Please explain that last part in more detail. I'm interested.

[Dorin]

I pull trash mobs from the tank because those trash mobs are dead even before they can damage me. What's the problem?

Of course I wouldn't do that if said trash was actually powerful enough to put me in danger. Stop thinking all DPS are stupid when they pull mobs off you.

[Salvare]

Mhm 16:10 For AK yum.

[Amyas]

Stop thinking all DPS are stupid when they *purposely* pull mobs off you.

I would... if they actually would died as quickly as you say they do :T It takes longer to kill trash at the same time than it is to burn them down one at a time. Especially when not burning them down one at a time means more adds XD

EDIT: If I see it happen, then I'll rescind everything I've said here. But I haven't yet, that's why I don't agree with letting dds do what they want on adds. (unless its boss fight adds, then... yeah you know the drill.)

Unless I know you, then it's open season to make you work :P

Nothing wrong with that at all. Its a totally different feeling when you're the 'other' in a group and you're expecting another swift methodical run (esp when I saw that they had af2 and dl, I was like 'yes this is gonna be easy'... turns out, nope :/), but instead get chaos and a longer raid than usual.

[Risbyn]

If the tank marks, I'll respectfully stay on target. Unless I know you, then it's open season to make you work :P