Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

[Salvare]

Mhm 16:10 For AK yum.

[Amyas]

Stop thinking all DPS are stupid when they *purposely* pull mobs off you.

I would... if they actually would died as quickly as you say they do :T It takes longer to kill trash at the same time than it is to burn them down one at a time. Especially when not burning them down one at a time means more adds XD

EDIT: If I see it happen, then I'll rescind everything I've said here. But I haven't yet, that's why I don't agree with letting dds do what they want on adds. (unless its boss fight adds, then... yeah you know the drill.)

Unless I know you, then it's open season to make you work :P

Nothing wrong with that at all. Its a totally different feeling when you're the 'other' in a group and you're expecting another swift methodical run (esp when I saw that they had af2 and dl, I was like 'yes this is gonna be easy'... turns out, nope :/), but instead get chaos and a longer raid than usual.

[Risbyn]

If the tank marks, I'll respectfully stay on target. Unless I know you, then it's open season to make you work :P

[Rochetm]

Tanking with flash... Funny I thought the game was setup in such a way that it would be impossible to do that for very long...

[Amyas]

Tanking with flash... Funny I thought the game was setup in such a way that it would be impossible to do that for very long...

Exactly my thought, but apparently his dds are so 'leet' that they can kill them all instantly without getting hate xD

DDS I run with get hate and pull stuff, but they just don't care. They kill it before they die and you can kite that stuff so easily. Everythign but dullhans can be kited and a tank in DL or similar gear can tank 3 dullhans at once.

That's fine for you, but for me, I prefer my runs to be more methodical and fast. To me, if I lose hate, I'm playing badly. I don't want to feel like I'm playing badly when there's literally nothing I can do to keep it from happening, even if I'm going all out. EDIT: is there even a spot where you can tank three dullahans at the same time without pulling skippable ones? Two seems to be the max for me, haven't tried three yet, I don't know if AK and minimum DL gear would be enough though to not get et up quick.

with effectively 3 DD beating on them.

That's just it, in my experience with this its always one dd on one mob, another one on a totally separate one, etc, so they don't die that fast, in my experience again. I don't see why its such a sin to (focus target), you overzealous/derpy dds and dding healers are giving me an ulcer.

if DDs are pulling mobs off of you because they're attacking different mobs, or they aren't all focusing on the one mob you have marked, your party members don't know how to play in a party*

Fixed that for you.

Fixed this for you. Stop trying to defend this awful playstyle, you're going to infect new tanks and turn them into bad players. Stop getting so bent out of shape because you cant hold hate vs geared players - thats not their fault, and its not yours either. Its just gear. Get over it, and be happy you're along for a ride with geared players?

In this particular instance, its more than just gear difference. Why on earth would a blackmage decide to start casting before I've even pulled? Sorry, but if it happens more than a few times in a raid with me, I'm outta there and they can wait for a new tank that puts up with that crap.

Q: What should I do in a situation where the targets are not marked in order? Wait a bit longer and attack the mob with the most accumulated emnity from tank? Advice appreciated.

As a tank, if I see a mob that has its health going down more and its not the one I marked I will remark and refocus target. That seems to work, just pay attention to the hate meters and (focus target) and you can do no wrong, if you pull it off of me, its my (the tanks) fault for not paying attention.

[Youmu]

Exactly my thought, but apparently his dds are so 'leet' that they can kill them all instantly without getting hate xD



That's fine for you, but for me, I prefer my runs to be more unnecessarily methodical and mind numbingly slow. To me, if I lose hate, I'm playing badly. I don't want to feel like I'm playing badly when there's literally nothing I can do to keep it from happening, even if I'm going all out. EDIT: is there even a spot where you can tank three dullahans at the same time without pulling skipable stuff?

Fixed this for you. Stop trying to defend this awful playstyle, you're going to infect new tanks and turn them into bad players. Stop getting so bent out of shape because you cant hold hate vs geared players - thats not their fault, and its not yours either. Its just gear. Get over it, and be happy you're along for a ride with geared players?

[Ryios]

DDS I run with get hate and pull stuff, but they just don't care. They kill it before they die and you can kite that stuff so easily. Everythign but dullhans can be kited and a tank in DL or similar gear can tank 3 dullhans at once.

[Deculture]

I end up tanking trash packs in the large majority of pug "join in progress" AK runs that I do on my SCH. Not from healing aggro (Faerie can pretty much solo heal the entire instance), but from Cleric Stance DPS. Do I care that a mob is hitting me? Not really, because the trash packs melt so much faster with effectively 3 DD beating on them.

Nobody wants to slog through a farming instance like AK any longer than it's needed.

[HumsterMKX]

Dear Under and Overgeared Tanks and DPS and Healers.

Do what you can, to help the grp pull through. It is better to go through stuff together then rage at one another. Do what you can, Push your own limits, and don't BREAK no matter what.

[Amyas]

and don't BREAK no matter what.

I guess that's exactly what I did; broke. I didn't rage though, for what its worth. (at least not in game xD) Its just hard to keep on when you're on a totally different wave length with a group of strangers with totally different play styles.

make friends with people in your FC/server/ls? I got so fed up with randoms during AK that I refused to play with any tank except my brother (i still do but to a lesser extent) and just having one friend in the run can make it worthwhile.

Ah I normally do run with at least one friend from my ls or fc, but unfortunately we aren't that big and we're spread out across timezones so people aren't always on, or if they are only a handful are up to AK at this point. Its crazy how its sooo much less stressful when you're running with at least one friend than with all strangers. You're still doing the exact same thing (most of the time), but for me I feel there is zero room for error on my part when I play in a pug or df group.