Worst end game community ever?

[Argentil]

I feel that SE really should halve the ToP count granted at the end of CM and Prae, putting it on par with Wanderer's Palace, which is a fun instance. Personally, after doing CM and Prae once for the story, and suffering the pressure and abuse of speedrunners, WP was a lot more fun to farm. Sure you may get half the amount of tomestones in the same timeframe, but you do have a chance of winning a darklight weapon of item level 55 (as well as iLevel 55 armour). That in itself is worth running WP over CM. Did I mention WP is a fun instance?

In addition to the above, I feel that speedrunners should absolutely NOT be running via Duty Finder. It takes 10 minutes to form a group in Revenant's Toll. 10 minutes to grab a group of people from your own server, who are accountable for their actions because they are from your server. First-timers are stuck with using the Duty Finder to run the place, speedrunners really have no reason to do so outside of being unsociable and lazy.

One final afterthought; I've heard it argued that players doing it for the first time who are progressing through the story should form runs outside of the duty finder. It's this backwards "well if I have to form parties, why don't you?" logic. Please try and get a group of 8 non-speedrunners for CM/Prae and tell me how long it takes you. If you were to combine the assembly time for Dorme Chimera and Hydra, then you would probably be close.

[Rhymelark]

In addition to the above, I feel that speedrunners should absolutely NOT be running via Duty Finder. It takes 10 minutes to form a group in Revenant's Toll. 10 minutes to grab a group of people from your own server, who are accountable for their actions because they are from your server. First-timers are stuck with using the Duty Finder to run the place, speedrunners really have no reason to do so outside of being unsociable and lazy.

..... I'm sure calling people unsociable and lazy helps a lot. The Duty Finder is there to be used.

I'm sure people would be complaining then that they wait to long in the duty finder to find a group instead of the quick pops you get now. I have heard quite a few complaints of people waiting for Praetorian groups.

Porting to Revenant's Toll costs quite a bit of gill and if you have not realized it yet gill is pretty tight once you hit lvl 50 and start doing runs to gear up with repair costs etc. So using the Duty Finder saves from porting to Revenant's Toll to get a group.

[Argentil]

..... I'm sure calling people unsociable and lazy helps a lot. The Duty Finder is there to be used.

I'm sure people would be complaining then that they wait to long in the duty finder to find a group instead of the quick pops you get now. I have heard quite a few complaints of people waiting for Praetorian groups.

Porting to Revenant's Toll costs quite a bit of gill and if you have not realized it yet gill is pretty tight once you hit lvl 50 and start doing runs to gear up with repair costs etc. So using the Duty Finder saves from porting to Revenant's Toll to get a group.

Oh? That's strange, I see so many 50's gathered in Revenant's Toll forming groups. I go there daily myself. I have it set as a Favourite Point, my teleport's only cost 155 Gill from Limsa Lominsa, which is my home point. Why is this an argument? It's widely understood that RT is a group-finding hub, you also purchase your upgrades and crafting mats there.

As for "calling people unsociable and lazy;" I can only imagine you have a horse in this race, to take it so personally and in the worst possible way. I was making a point that finding a group is so easy, and often times faster than queueing as DPS, that you would have to be averse to making conversation, or browsing LFG text, which would make you unsociable, or lazy. Once people realise that DF speedrunning isn't the optimal way to go, things would improve all around. This is all if SE keep the tomestone reward the same. If they reduce the tomestone count by half, speedrunning would be a non-issue, but people would still run it for an easy reward.

[Rhymelark]

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Please read my post before the one you replied to. If you read it you would know that yes I do do speed runs. You would also know we do take peoples preferences in mind when doing so. I also offered several suggestions how this can be fixed one of which is that the duty finder has 2 options to sign up for a dungeon with cut-scenes and one without. Saying only certain people should use the duty finder is wrong. Everyone should be allowed to use it if they want and everyone should be willing to be considerate to each others way of playing.