Lv.44 Cutscene question,Cids Googles [Spoiler]

[Enkidoh]

I still think that's a blatant contradiction though - that we are not literally visiting the past, but just viewing someone's memories but apparently bringing items back to and from it with us. The items from the future evidently brought back with us and apparently lost in the 'past' could also be explained away as not having actually come from the future in the first place.

After all, using Gridania's 1.0 story as an example - you got the treant vine in the Echo when Yda and Papalymo first meet after fighting the wolves. You then showed it over to Miounne, after a noticeable 'gap' occurs in the dialogue - as if the player quickly jumped from the present into the Echo. You then handed it over to the Guildmistress of the Leatherworker's Guild where you see Khrimm for the first time, evidently, again in the Echo. All the times it was shown, have in hindsight been in past Echoes, not the present.

Of course the player actually didn't realize this at the time, because of how the game showed the Echo as being virtually indistinguishable from the present (only after joining the Path of the Twelve were Echo visions preceded by a trippy 'warping in' effect). At least in ARR there is no doubt when the player is experiencing the Echo, with it's grainy, washed out VHS video footage appearence.

But the important thing here is, the item never even existed in the present at all - it was found in an Echo, was only handled in the Echo, and was lost in the Echo. Sure, you could open your inventory and it was listed there, but from a story perspective in hindsight, you never had it in the first place (it shows just was a massive mind screw Tanaka's original narrative for 1.0 really was shaping up to be ).

I'm not saying Cid's goggles in ARR are an example of the same thing, but it does make you think.

[Catapult]

All the times it was shown, have in hindsight been in past Echoes, not the present.

Actually, it was the present-day Miounne who suggests you take your vine to the guild. She says this in the context of the having been no reports of treant attacks recently, doubting your story.

Likewise in Ul'dah, you show your blossom to the receptionist who insists on fetching one of the masters - it is only after she walks away that the echo triggers.

And in Limsa, the present-day head chef of the Bismark remarks at smelling a balloonfish on your person from malms away. Once shown the produce, he comments that it usually takes some sort of big storm to drag it up from the decks, the likes of which they haven't seen in years. THEN the echo triggers.

So no, that stuff got dragged to the present day. You got up to some funky rule-breaking stuff there.

i know that from 1.0 you can interact with the echo, but its very rare, there was one mission where while in the echo you are address and spoken to, and then explained that it could happen. is the shiny us, the manifestation of us in the echo we are having in the present(cutscene moment) if so, when did we get the googles? is it broken lore?? if not then is us from the future having another echo with cid, where we do have the googles in the inventory and we travel back to give him his googles, knowing , from the current echo that we HAD to go back and give them thoes googles to start the chain of events that make cid become who he is in the past AND also remember who he was in the present.

we are just missing the future part of the lore i guess, cause i hope it wasent a writers mistake

Indeed, I suspect we'll be coming full circle on this one.

If history is a slate that cannot be re-written, we may need to fulfill our own timeline to avoid a paradox. (Noel Kreiss would be proud.)