Some surprising data in regards to SMN dps vs BLM dps

[Aronos]

It's not that simple. Firstly the BLM job sucks, and the skills suck. It's basically a THM without the cross skills.

2ndly, just wondering, does the summoner still have max MP after the 5m rotation that you did?

My MP was about 1/3 remaining but I likely could have managed it better. I haven't looked into an optimal summoner rotation, I simply made sure dots were all up constantly and spammed fester on every Aetherflow CD while spamming ruin in between dot refresh.

[MeowyWowie]

This is why SE needs to give us the ability to properly parse DoTs when they release the addon API. Any parser we have now is just incredibly inaccurate and now you have people believing that SMN with low ilv gear severely outparses an ilv90 BLM..

[HecatesLover]

Summoner doesn't do the damage the parser is showing. There is an ability that is being listed as doing far more damage than it could possibly be doing. I forget what it is but cutting it out puts Summoner at just below the parses of Bards and BLM (this is adding the pet and summoner together). It is generally agreed within my FC that if Summoner is doing more damage than anybody else it is only by a little bit, not the leaps and bounds the parse is showing.

[Kevee]

Summoner doesn't do the damage the parser is showing. There is an ability that is being listed as doing far more damage than it could possibly be doing. I forget what it is but cutting it out puts Summoner at just below the parses of Bards and BLM (this is adding the pet and summoner together). It is generally agreed within my FC that if Summoner is doing more damage than anybody else it is only by a little bit, not the leaps and bounds the parse is showing.

The Summoner itself does at least equal damage to other DPS classes.

But then you factor in the pet and they're 20-30% higher.

[shinros]

It's not that simple. Firstly the BLM job sucks, and the skills suck. It's basically a THM without the cross skills.

2ndly, just wondering, does the summoner still have max MP after the 5m rotation that you did?

This is why I am pissed off that square swapped pugilist with arcanist. *looks at internal release*

[Lux_Rayna]

Parsers are inaccurate, ppl need to stop relying on them. Until SE releases an official parser, any and all parser data is invalid for drawing conclusions. The common sense test should tell you there is no way that data is correct. Even an eyeball test on an enmity meter will show you that.

[Sleigh]

Are SMNs top DPS? Possibly.

Are BLMs weak and need revamping, as some people in this topic suggest? Hell no. I'm in BC Turn 4 (not that big a deal, I know, but I've been through end-game) and not once in end-game have I felt gimped compared to other classes, especially when it comes to parser results. I'm usually forced to use Quelling Strikes to not rip aggro off a tank in full DL + relic in an extended fight, and this is over the duration of the fight, not nuking at the start.

[savant07]

Parsers are inaccurate, ppl need to stop relying on them. Until SE releases an official parser, any and all parser data is invalid for drawing conclusions. The common sense test should tell you there is no way that data is correct. Even an eyeball test on an enmity meter will show you that.

This.

I don't think parsers are accurate...black mages should be doing more dps than summoners

[Youmu]

Parsers are not 100% accurate, but against single mobs in a straight DPS test, with no party interference, they do work. The issue with their innaccuracy comes from its use within a party with 2 or more of the same class.

And practically speaking, its very obvious that my SMN friend does about 10-15% more DPS than my BLM, in very close to same gear. So both the number tests, and in game practical tests are pointing out that SMN is indeed better DPS than BLM, especially in mobile fights, and lengthy fights.

Tbh, I don't feel like SMN's do too much damage, they're in line with what a cloth DPS class should be doing. Problem is, BLM job and xclass skills are rubbish for actual DPS gains, with the exception of flare, convert and raging strikes. Best solution IMO, is to remove or rework Apocatastasis (Perhaps a 15-25% elemental damage debuff on a shorter cooldown?). As it stands, it's very nearly useless, seeing usage only in coil, but with a CD to duration ratio so awful, even its usage there can be argued against.

[Sleigh]

It's not that simple. Firstly the BLM job sucks, and the skills suck. It's basically a THM without the cross skills.

2ndly, just wondering, does the summoner still have max MP after the 5m rotation that you did?

Tell us more about how BLM sucks with your experience as a level 24 THM, please.

Edit: on a much more constructive note, you should level up, gain access to your tools, and experience all the situations the harder content puts you through, rather than just assume BLM sucks because of a parser result, which if true means SMN is the highest DPS, not that BLM is weak.