Some surprising data in regards to SMN dps vs BLM dps

[Crescent_Dusk]

It's actually easier to mess up your rotation as BLM in an actual fight than summoner. As SMN you really just need to keep dots up and ruin in between. As a BLM if you are delayed, you can waste time in umbral or lose umbral stacks altogether. Your Firestarter procs can overwrite each other. you might be doing a single target rotation and an aoe phase kicks in and your mana levels are not in sync for an optimal rotation.

SMN has a lot of ramp up, though. Summoner can't burst worth crap compared to BLM, and SMN frontloaded aoe is pretty much nonexistent. SMN need to use an Aetherflow stack with a 5 yard range to just even do AoE damage.

I think the BLM would see a lot of fixing if:

A) Fire Starter triggered at the end of a cast instead of when the projectile lands.

B) Neither Fire Starter or Thundercloud triggered the GCD. An instant cast proc is not that great when it incurs a GCD that basically replaces a cast time. In that case, the only benefit of these procs is the mobility.

[Aronos]

I think the BLM would see a lot of fixing if:

A) Fire Starter triggered at the end of a cast instead of when the projectile lands.

B) Neither Fire Starter or Thundercloud triggered the GCD. An instant cast proc is not that great when it incurs a GCD that basically replaces a cast time. In that case, the only benefit of these procs is the mobility.

I agree with both A and B. There are some major flaws with the BLM mechanics that ruin their potential. Primarily GCD on Firestarter/Thundercloud procs and having to constantly interrupt casts or miss out on half of your firestarter procs.

[PuroStrider]

I think the BLM would see a lot of fixing if:

A) Fire Starter triggered at the end of a cast instead of when the projectile lands.

B) Neither Fire Starter or Thundercloud triggered the GCD.

(A) would make me a very happy camper and makes much more sense.

brb wasting 2.5 sec to cast Fire I instead of proc'd Fire III for no reason at all.

I could do without (B), however.


I'm also always top DPS in all the raids I've been with my geared mates, including coil runs up to turn 4 (vs DRG, MNK, BRD).

I've been with a couple of SMN and they do indeed deal more damage the longer the fight goes on according to the 'simulated' DOT damage on parser.

In the end of the day though, there's nothing more beautiful than seeing 2000+ Critical Damage floating on top of a mob.

Not to mention the ability to piss off tanks and healers by pulling aggros on purpose whenever the f I want.

BLM Master Race 4 lyfe.

[glim]

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[Youmu]

Were you using Bane while dummy testing?

Just pointing out that using any AOE during testing will badly inflate your numbers, because some fool at SE thought it would be a good idea to put every dummy spawn within 5m of each other.

[Aronos]

Were you using Bane while dummy testing?

Just pointing out that using any AOE during testing will badly inflate your numbers, because some fool at SE thought it would be a good idea to put every dummy spawn within 5m of each other.

No, I stated these were on single targets. I was using Fester to maximize single target dps.

[Grids]

why would you use bane other than to spread and have that chance of resetting the cd? what is the percentage anyway on that? not high from what i've seen.

[Youmu]

You stated they were on dummies. Can you point me to which set of dummies you found that were not placed within 5m of each other? There are plenty of other sources of AOE aside from Bane, Miasma II and Shadow Flare, for example.

To clarify, I do realize SMN has a DPS edge on us, for both moving and non-moving fights. I just doubt that the difference is near what your parser shows. My SMN friend with roughly the same gear as I does about 300 ST DPS, while Im at 260 ish

[Aronos]

I specifically made sure that I didn't target anything with AOE. Shadowflare was placed in such a way that it hit only a single target. I didn't use Bane and garuda's 5 min ability was used within range of only a single dummy in the keep in western Coerthas Central Highlands.

Again, dps was tested on a single dummy.

[glim]

I have a friend that plays a BLM, similar gears that I have. relic +1 and darklight/crafted HQ vanyas and some af2 piece, I am always ahead of him by a small amount when it comes to threat, but if you consider pet damage (they don't contribute to your personal threat) then I am probably 20% or so something stronger than him, which is consistent with your theory, but the problem is the parser, last 2 weeks they were a bit accurate, last week I calculated dot damages, parsers were tracking them 30% higher, this week I calculated dot damage, they were tracking it 30% lower, they need to show dot damage on combat logs for the parsers to be super accurate so that we may accurately test things!