Some surprising data in regards to SMN dps vs BLM dps

[Aronos]

Were you using Bane while dummy testing?

Just pointing out that using any AOE during testing will badly inflate your numbers, because some fool at SE thought it would be a good idea to put every dummy spawn within 5m of each other.

No, I stated these were on single targets. I was using Fester to maximize single target dps.

[Youmu]

You stated they were on dummies. Can you point me to which set of dummies you found that were not placed within 5m of each other? There are plenty of other sources of AOE aside from Bane, Miasma II and Shadow Flare, for example.

To clarify, I do realize SMN has a DPS edge on us, for both moving and non-moving fights. I just doubt that the difference is near what your parser shows. My SMN friend with roughly the same gear as I does about 300 ST DPS, while Im at 260 ish

[Aronos]

I specifically made sure that I didn't target anything with AOE. Shadowflare was placed in such a way that it hit only a single target. I didn't use Bane and garuda's 5 min ability was used within range of only a single dummy in the keep in western Coerthas Central Highlands.

Again, dps was tested on a single dummy.

[atomicdeath]

I did. Garuda did 55 dps.

That really chaps my hyde.

[Karnage720]

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Can you tell me what you used, was it just your ACN dots? Did you add thunder? Did you use RS, Spur, Rouse? If you already stated what you used, I probably missed it.

[glim]

I have a friend that plays a BLM, similar gears that I have. relic +1 and darklight/crafted HQ vanyas and some af2 piece, I am always ahead of him by a small amount when it comes to threat, but if you consider pet damage (they don't contribute to your personal threat) then I am probably 20% or so something stronger than him, which is consistent with your theory, but the problem is the parser, last 2 weeks they were a bit accurate, last week I calculated dot damages, parsers were tracking them 30% higher, this week I calculated dot damage, they were tracking it 30% lower, they need to show dot damage on combat logs for the parsers to be super accurate so that we may accurately test things!

[Aronos]

Can you tell me what you used, was it just your ACN dots? Did you add thunder? Did you use RS, Spur, Rouse? If you already stated what you used, I probably missed it.

I used every ability I had for both classes over a period of 5 minutes using my SMN 5 min cooldown only a single time and raging strikes twice on both classes. The comparison is pretty fair in those regards I think. I'll make a video of it soon to show the rotation I was using for both classes.

[sakraycore]

BLM needs a huge buff, can't even outdps a pet class....

[Aronos]

BLM needs a huge buff, can't even outdps a pet class....

BLM mechanics are broken purely due to Thunderstorm and Firestarter procs activating the GCD meaning the only thing they get out of those free casts is mobility, not damage. Nevermind the fact that half of the firestarter procs are missed due to it being activated on spell land and because it's a dps loss to interrupt your fire cast due to the massive input delay.

[sakraycore]

BLM mechanics are broken purely due to Thunderstorm and Firestarter procs activating the GCD meaning the only thing they get out of those free casts is mobility, not damage. Nevermind the fact that half of the firestarter procs are missed due to it being activated on spell land and because it's a dps loss to interrupt your fire cast due to the massive input delay.

It's not that simple. Firstly the BLM job sucks, and the skills suck. It's basically a THM without the cross skills.

2ndly, just wondering, does the summoner still have max MP after the 5m rotation that you did?