Really SE, no job balancing at 2.1?

[Despised]

Hello fellas,
another desperate warrior speaking.

As you may guess, I do'nt want to waste my time at this warrior job when i will not be wanted at advanced stages of end-game content. but you know this story, so i'll just thank SE for wasting my free days leveling a "broken" job. i tried some DPSing and healing, but tanking always was my job in every MMO i played.

So i waited for 2.1 patch notes. Man wasn't i sure SE will fix Warriors. hell so many complaints, a job not wanted! at all! and yet nothing. nothing about job balance.
Now don't get me wrong, i am glad for the whole new content, but i am less glad they didn't fix us sad warriors. Inner Beast calls to become a shield and not a wasted heal, our hp regenerating skills such as Bloodbath and Storm's Path are useless, all we do is step in the fight with large pools of HP that healers have rough time healing.
But it seems SE minds nothing. not even a word about job fixes/changes.

So all i can say is thank you, again.

[Jediman]

I'm hoping they they will fix the WAR as DPS because thats what it is.

[Stonie]

I'm hoping they they will fix the WAR as DPS because thats what it is.

it's not a dps, it does decent damage so you can work more leeches out of it, stack your offencive buffs, i leech tons of health myself. it also does decent damage for group hate which is is better at IMHO yet the end game content(which was ment to have crystal tower teir gear to do) isn't groups of mobs you fighting it's just one big one. so of course PLD would be better at this. btw it IS posible to do all these baddies with WAR. you jsut gotta have the i 90 gear and be skilled. PLD is derpy. don't dis WAR because PLD is a faceroll job.

[Rios-Drakoon]

I'm hoping they they will fix the WAR as DPS because thats what it is.

And there we have again, Paladinfanboy Nr. 99890.

Alot PLD (like you strange guy) think :" Paladin should be the one and only Tank"

BULLSHIT.

Read ALL the Abilities from warrior, then you see, he has alot Tank Abilites with Enmity on it. so, pls do everyone a favor, and just shut up.

Warrior is a Tank, the gab between Warrior and Paladin is big, way to big. but still, he IS a Tank.

[Kitru]

I'm not sure where it said that there would be no class rebalancing. All I saw was discussion of the new content they'd be providing: CT, player housing, special events, etc.

[WingsofWar]

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You may say its "broken", but IMO I'm pretty jealous of WAR, particularly when Wolfs Den comes out, you think anyone would want a PLD for PvP?

-PLD DPS is crap.
-Emnity? why bother..
-Mitigation? against what if other players can totally ignore you.
-Self-heals are non-existent.

PLD may have an easier time through the coil sure, but a skilled player on WAR doesn't scream "broken" to me.

[Despised]

You may say its "broken", but IMO I'm pretty jealous of WAR, particularly when Wolfs Den comes out, you think anyone would want a PLD for PvP?

-PLD DPS is crap.
-Emnity? why bother..
-Mitigation? against what if other players can totally ignore you.
-Self-heals are non-existent.

PLD may have an easier time through the coil sure, but a skilled player on WAR doesn't scream "broken" to me.

Well now, this thought was in my head today. I do too think WARs will enjoy pvp more, yet us WARs can't cast cure. Plus our dmg is high when the target is stationary, as we are heavily combo based. i see my self spamming Heavy Swing because i would be able to combo only on an AFK enemy.

Yet the topic is not about PvP, it's about PvE and the whole agenda about us WARs. We are not wanted, we do not tank as well. That's a thing that should not happen in any normal MMO, especially not in this 1 million players based one.

[TommySmiles]

Where are the 2.1 notes? Can someone link please?

[Kitru]

You may say its "broken", but IMO I'm pretty jealous of WAR, particularly when Wolfs Den comes out, you think anyone would want a PLD for PvP?

Let me break it down for you.

-PLD DPS is crap.
-Emnity? why bother..

PLD DPS is not crap. Anyone that *thinks* it is is an idiot that doesn't know what they've got and ends up using it improperly. Just check out the math I did and you'll see: WAR has no substantive DPS advantage over PLD and *neither's* DPS is going to make much of a difference because they just don't have the DPS stats and bonuses to have a major impact.

-Mitigation? against what if other players can totally ignore you.

First off, PLD has a *lot* more utility than a WAR has. That utility is going to be a *massive* advantage in PvP: Shield Bash is going to be *ridiculous*. Plus, Cover.

-Self-heals are non-existent.

If mitigation is pointless because people are going to ignore you, why are you bringing up self-heals? You just claimed that PLD is never going to take damage because no one would ever want to attack them thanks to mitigation but then proceeded to bring up self-heals as if they were even remotely important. Strive for some consistency in your argument.

PLD may have an easier time through the coil sure, but a skilled player on WAR doesn't scream "broken" to me.

Whether WAR is broken depends upon how you choose to define "broken". If "broken" simply means "incapable of running content", then WAR is most definitely not broken. If "broken" means that the class is inferior in every quantifiable way, then WAR is most definitely "broken". It doesn't help that, at best, a perfectly played WAR just barely breaks even with a faceroll PLD: WAR has a crazy high skill ceiling, but it doesn't pay off at all. The only possible way you could consider WAR "fine" is if the metrics you're using for comparison are so woefully screwed up that you could justify just about anything.

[WingsofWar]

First off you don't have to reply like an asshole about it. If you disagree, fine. But you trying to undermind my OPINION on defending a WAR as a better class for PvP than PLD is just childish.

PLD DPS is not crap. Anyone that *thinks* it is is an idiot that doesn't know what they've got and ends up using it improperly. Just check out the math I did and you'll see: WAR has no substantive DPS advantage over PLD and *neither's* DPS is going to make much of a difference because they just don't have the DPS stats and bonuses to have a major impact.

some parser iv seen puts PLD roughly 60-130dps with sword oath, while iv seen WAR well on the 200s, just short of true DPS classes. Its not a big deal for PvE where your not really looking to down a mob rather take hits. But against a player, the lower DPS IMO might be a big crippling disadvantage against 4 or 6 other players. Can i be wrong? sure but im just making a statement on observations.

First off, PLD has a *lot* more utility than a WAR has. That utility is going to be a *massive* advantage in PvP: Shield Bash is going to be *ridiculous*. Plus, Cover.

yeah that's true, cover and shield bash are going to be good especially against melee classes. but the most troublesome teams iv encountered in other games in PvP were the ones who maximized group offensive potential, even if i had good utility.

If mitigation is pointless because people are going to ignore you, why are you bringing up self-heals? You just claimed that PLD is never going to take damage because no one would ever want to attack them thanks to mitigation but then proceeded to bring up self-heals as if they were even remotely important. Strive for some consistency in your argument.

When i play some team based PvP, self heals and mitigation play different phases in a pvp, well from what iv experienced anyway. 4-6 man team kills your healer/dps. Tank is left alone, tank cannot self-heal regardless of damage mitigation in a 1v4 scenario. Or a DoT virus/spell just ruins everything.

Whether WAR is broken depends upon how you choose to define "broken". If "broken" simply means "incapable of running content", then WAR is most definitely not broken. If "broken" means that the class is inferior in every quantifiable way, then WAR is most definitely "broken". It doesn't help that, at best, a perfectly played WAR just barely breaks even with a faceroll PLD: WAR has a crazy high skill ceiling, but it doesn't pay off at all. The only possible way you could consider WAR "fine" is if the metrics you're using for comparison are so woefully screwed up that you could justify just about anything.

im guessing this comment is to the OP, but i think broken class would be the "incapable of running content". I dont think WAR is incapable, sure it fall short IMO in many cases but so does PLD. I dont think i dare try to convince myself of finding real inferiority, i think every class in this game is inferior to each other in many ways. IE IMO i think id rather have a scholar in PvP than a WHM.