Really SE, no job balancing at 2.1?

**Kitru** · 09-30-2013 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

some parser iv seen puts PLD roughly 60-130dps with sword oath, while iv seen WAR well on the 200s, just short of true DPS classes. Its not a big deal for PvE where your not really looking to down a mob rather take hits. But against a player, the lower DPS IMO might be a big crippling disadvantage against 4 or 6 other players. Can i be wrong? sure but im just making a statement on observations.

The only reason for a PLD to do less dmg than a WAR is for that PLD to not know how to use all of the tools at its disposal. Sword Oath adds a *crapton* of damage, Fight or Flight is *disgustingly* good, and Circle of Scorn/Spirits Within make up a *substantial* portion of your total DPS. If you don't use FoF or CoS/SW like you're supposed to, a PLD is going to have terrible DPS, but that's contingent on the PLD not know how to DPS effectively. Comparing a PLD that doesn't use its tools to a WAR that *does* is an unequal comparison that will naturally favor the WAR.

PLD can tank effectively even when it's played poorly, which is why you see people pointing out the low PLD parses. Properly played a PLD will be able to do just as much as a WAR can.

**Mamba1** · 09-30-2013 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kitru

Snip.

Kitru. You wouldn't happen to be the same Kitru from the SWTOR tanking community, would you?

**Kitru** · 09-30-2013 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mamba1

Kitru. You wouldn't happen to be the same Kitru from the SWTOR tanking community, would you?

I would think that the sig would be a dead giveaway.

**Mamba1** · 09-30-2013 12:40 PM

Now if only KeyboardNinja would show up...

**Shikyo** · 09-30-2013 11:30 AM

The problem is that skill will b overlooked because of the preconceived notion of the job being broken

**Duelle** · 09-30-2013 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

-PLD DPS is crap.
-Emnity? why bother..
-Mitigation? against what if other players can totally ignore you.
-Self-heals are non-existent.

PLD may have an easier time through the coil sure, but a skilled player on WAR doesn't scream "broken" to me.

Depending on the context. If there's a capture the flag game PLD and MNK will be the two best candidates for flag carrier. PLD also offers a lot of control with a stun that can be spammed, not to mention Cover, which makes them pretty good assisting. Depending on how the damage transfer from Cover works, you could also be in a situation where the enemy team may try to CC (Sleep) you but you cover a teammate so that then the enemy team tries to attack the covered team make it breaks your CC because damage taken breaks Sleep.

The only thing they lack is mobility (as always, shame we don't have a copy-paste of Charge).

PS: On PLD healing - if people are stupid enough to ignore a PLD in PvP this also means you're giving the PLD the opportunity to heal other players on their team. Small potatoes but an extra sliver of health can make the difference in a PvP setting. The value of PLD is not in self heals but their ability to heal other people.

**Vod** · 09-30-2013 03:09 AM

I think Yoshi said "warriors are fine l2p".

**C-croft** · 09-30-2013 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Despised

Hello fellas,
another desperate warrior speaking.

As you may guess, I do'nt want to waste my time at this warrior job when i will not be wanted at advanced stages of end-game content. but you know this story, so i'll just thank SE for wasting my free days leveling a "broken" job. i tried some DPSing and healing, but tanking always was my job in every MMO i played.

So i waited for 2.1 patch notes. Man wasn't i sure SE will fix Warriors. hell so many complaints, a job not wanted! at all! and yet nothing. nothing about job balance.
Now don't get me wrong, i am glad for the whole new content, but i am less glad they didn't fix us sad warriors. Inner Beast calls to become a shield and not a wasted heal, our hp regenerating skills such as Bloodbath and Storm's Path are useless, all we do is step in the fight with large pools of HP that healers have rough time healing.
But it seems SE minds nothing. not even a word about job fixes/changes.

So all i can say is thank you, again.

Where are these patch notes you are referring to?

**Despised** · 09-30-2013 03:31 AM

There's a long 2 part "Live letter from the devs". You should find it anywhere on the web.

**C-croft** · 09-30-2013 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Despised

There's a long 2 part "Live letter from the devs". You should find it anywhere on the web.

Oh... that's not what I would call patch notes. The content in some patch notes had better be a looooong list full of enhancements and bug fixes. Hardly anything to QQ about yet.

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