This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

[Kinseykinz]

Key storyline dungeons should not be a target for dbag speedrunners.

Something must be done quickly if we are to keep decent and good-willed players interested in the game -- otherwise, we all lose.

I agree with you, but I also think SE did this too keep that content relevant. Otherwise, how long would some poor soul have to wait to just get a group to finish that part of their story 2-4 months down the road...how about 3 years?

I DO wish that SE would reward 'vets' of some content a slightly better reward if they 'watch all CS's' and help a person who's on their first clear through any DF content.

So like in Castrum, if you have a new player in the group and you personally watch all the CS's, and they get their clear= an additional 15 tombs.
Help a new player through AK? =10 more Myth tomes, and maybe 5 Phil tombs.

[AnkoYaoi]

Let's just say, I have had more bad experiences with the DF then I have good.

Which in itself, is bad.

EDIT: I seriously dislike it when people say, "Make your own party if you want to watch CS's" <---This.Is.Just.Stupid. To be blunt.

Firstly when you get the quest for CM during the story line, the quest description tells the player to USE THE DUTY FINDER to go into CM.
"Description:
Raubahn stands ready to commence the penultimate phase of Operation Archon.
Objectives:
Use the Duty Finder to enter Castrum Meridianum.
Report to Raubahn."

Basically, when someone gets a new dungeon 90% of the time they are going to register in the DF before they think, "Oh maybe I should create my own party because maybe, just maybe, people won't enjoy me watching CS's" <--No one would think this automatically as soon as they open CM.

This statement isn't to prove that someone should go into CM via Duty finder while intending to watch the CS's. However, this statement is to show how people new to CM use the Duty when they open it because they don't know that (maybe) their party members won't want them to watch CS's.

[Duelle]

Quite simply, Power gamers have ruined DF, and have diminished the community at large.

Just like how power gamers ruined FFXI ("accepted" job combinations, gear "standards", ace and lol jobs) and how they ruined WoW ("accepted" class specs, the existence of the term "sunwelled", lolret). They, much like RMT are something that comes with the territory. The bigger concern leans more to what the game's design is doing to lessen the effect of these people on other players.

Obviously the solution to this problem isn't easy, but a good start would be greatly reduce Tomestone drops from CM and Praetorium. Key storyline dungeons should not be a target for dbag speedrunners.

The reason the devs put tomestone in CM and Praetorium was to make it easier to find a group to do those dungeons via duty finder. You remove or substancially lessen the reward and you'll have a scenario where you wouldn't be able to run thsoe instances once you've missed the levelling spree. SE wasn't counting on people being such jerks simply because they wanted darklight gear yesterday.

I DO wish that SE would reward 'vets' of some content a slightly better reward if they 'watch all CS's' and help a person who's on their first clear through any DF content.

So like in Castrum, if you have a new player in the group and you personally watch all the CS's, and they get their clear= an additional 15 tombs.
Help a new player through AK? =10 more Myth tomes, and maybe 5 Phil tombs.

I agree that there should be a tangible reward for level-capped players for helping newbies through instances.

The main issue I've seen leveling MRD is that even at low levels people are intolerant and will leave groups hanging. I got the last 3 levels on MRD just joining dungeon groups in progress and the queue for tanks was insanely fast. Having run AK repeatedly for stones, I've seen it gets worse at level cap. Yes, you'll get people who don't get the mechanics up until you run out of time, but in the end if you're looking to cap Myth stones ASAP you might want to make a guild run or something.

The situation is messed up no matter how you look at it, but with such limited content (WP, AK, primals, Coil if you're lucky), the situation is very tricky.

[Rgbg]

My god... I'm finding myself wondering if this game is worth staying with if this is the kind of attitude I get to deal with when I hit 50.

Is it really so big of a deal for a couple of people to wait five minutes to complete a run? Cutscenes aren't overly long, and they're immersive. Having them when you come into a room and showing you what's going on, the why of it, is why they're there. It was the way the dungeon was designed.

In other threads about this there are people actually calculating for you how much lifetime you're stealing from them by watching cutscenes. I can only assume that the people being aholes about speedruns (from what I've read since I'm far from endgame and won't be there in the near future) are the ones not renewing their subscription lol. I believe I remember Yoshi-P saying in one of his live letters during beta that he expects people to need around 2-3 months (?) to reach endgame and I was like "eh? he thinks that?". I have no idea, why people are literally exhausting themselves 4 weeks after launch at what they call "end-game" AND are rude about it. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad at the same time.
The rudeness however is everywhere in this game and from the last few dungeons I noticed a slight increase. I'm already used to people not even saying Hello (yes I consider that rude bc seriously... 4 ppl meet up to do something and noone says anything?? I even greet when I step into an elevator and I only ride like 1 or 2 floors with the person(s) in there, not gonna spend xx minutes with them fighting monsters), but if people criticize someone they don't use words like "could, should, you know, if..." no, they apparently plugged in the keyboard to smash in words like "fkn retards" or the "friendlier" version I've seen "y'all are idiots". I really cannot imagine what hostile environment they come from that insults are spewing from them first and only, like seriously grew up in a secluded cage or what? I'm not saying we all need to be saints and endure and pamper players that show some... "strange" behaviour, but the grade of unfriendly behaviour I've seen is starting to feel disconcerting :/ Me and my best friend we already decided to sort of flee into a FC/LS bc it seems you cannot make friends on the "outside" anymore... the nice and friendly people have all gone into hiding.

[Wolfwood_Belmir]

I've DF'd all my dungeons to date, and it has mostly been good.
Although if there's ever someone who begins to rant about people watching a cutscene or whatever, I'll be right there watching it with them, even if I've done it before :P
It's fun being a healer and seeing if they're willing to try it without me ^_^

It actually reminds me of how I act when driving a car in real life. I leave early for things, so I'm never in a hurry and just do the speed limit the whole way. So whenever someone tail-gates me from them being in a hurry, I slow down a little :P
See, I'M not the one who's gonna lose anything, and I enjoy the torment of those who deserve it and are already on the edge of blind rage ^_^
Turn the music up and enjoy the trip in your happy place. You'll both end up at your destinations, only you'll be having a much better day ^^

[Zaiken]

People say now DF is fine and they experiment nothing but good run. But oh boy, wait until you get to 50 and do your End Game Dungeon. Got in a CM today and even I try to skip cut scence for them they still think it too slow and keep yelling "COME! FOLLOW US! HURRY!" I don't understand what is up with all the crazy Elitist Speed Runner. The game is not gonna sink and died in a Month or so, what is with the rush. It is for the epeen and server first that no one even care? A lot of people is quitting because of CM is tied to story quest and people who use DF find them self in this situation all the time.

They really need to fix this speed run BS! I'm starting to have doubt about this community and don't think this attitude will ever end. Maybe I should just wait longer until all this douche bag who care about server first so much to get all their crap first.

[Vod]

If she is willing to quit the game, over what a bunch of nobodies over teh interwebs said to her, maybe said internets aren't the place for her.

[makii]

Forcing a slow leveling would be the best way to deal with this. Nerf Fate xp by 90%.
Nerf Tomestone drops by 70-80%.

Make everything too painful for those who only rush and have no plans to play this game over a longer period of time.

There's plenty of other MMO's out there where you can get to max level in a day and stand around in a circle with all your other max geared pals showing off your epeen, tellin less-geared and new players "l2p".

And just think of the shitstorm on the forums, it would be something to behold!

[Burstwolf]

If you think its just DF your mistaken. The same mentality exist in FC who Don't use DF.

[Angelsdawn]

I remember in the old WoW vanilla days we'd actually set up our groups via local chat and whispers. This way picking the people you're about to depend on for the next hour or so was more personal, and if there was to be friction you could usually tell right away. So I guess I really wouldn't mind if they should remove Duty Finder, even though its convenient for those who are short on time.

In any case, if a group runs in the encounter without one of their healers THEY are being punished, not her. They will most likely die without her help. One thing I have to say OP even though its been repeated ad nauseam throughout the thread; your girl needs to develop a thicker skin. Believe me when I say a lot worst can happen in an MMO.

This thread kind of came across as a little white knighty. And yeah, that's the actual definition... i.e. defending a lady's honor . These words get waaay too overused and abused on these forums.