This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

[Keyln]

I think it's rather rude to ask anyone to skip cutscenes, especially in a story dungeon.

[JamieLee]

Problem being is people will act how they act because there is absolute atomity in the game... Other then GM's who know who you are cause they have access to your account info... There is no reprucutions for being a jerk..... Most people think the worst they act the better and cooler it makes them.... Everyone pays and play's the same game as you do.. If dungenons that there trying to do drop the gear that is what they should be getting.. Theres no need to be rude to them... If they want to watch there story lines so what.. Go get a drink use the restroom seriously 3 mins is not the end of the world.

[Herrstarr]

I would say a good portion of the people you'll queue with in DF will either a) not speak at all b) speak in a language you cannot understand or b) be completely retarded, count yourself fortunate if you get a good party through DF system when going in solo, I would suggest trying to form groups outside of DF before resorting to it, its a big wide world out there, and there are a helluva lot of idiots or rude people.

[Kitya]

I blame WOW and LoL, personally.

I think people who blame millions of other people because there are jerks in every game are part of the problem. Yeah, people on games can be very rude. They've been like this in every online game I've ever played. This doesn't give you the right to put down large groups of people just because they're the popular scapegoats currently. It solves nothing and makes you look pretty bad on top of it.

And, while I've not played LoL for more than about half an hour because I didn't like the way it played, WoW is one of the MMOs I've played a lot of and it is no where near as bad as people make it out to be. Yeah, there are jerks just like every other game but they don't seem to be as constant as people think. And, on top of that, WoW players don't spend their time bashing other games in every channel/forum related to it. This is something I see in most non-WoW games.

[Asiaine]

Duty Finder, by its very nature, will group you with a random person.
Speed running a dungeon is a goal that can not be guaranteed by having a random person.
If you are attempting a goal that can not be met by being grouped with a random person, then you must re-think if you wish to use duty finder.

Duty finder is there for people to go through Story Mode (rather than sit in Ul'Dah shouting for day(s)).

Duty finder is there for people who want to go through dungeons but accept they will be grouped with random people of random skill (and therefore must accept that will not be an optimal group, and may not even succeed... But it is better than sitting in Ul'Dah shouting for day(s)).

LS/FC/FList is for people who want to do speed runs or perfect runs or what not and have control over who they are grouped with.

If one is serious about 'end game' and 'speed runs' and one is not in an FC/LS that is geared towards that, then one has only themselves to blame. Joining an FC/LS for this is the expected behavior. Doing DF is explicitly designed (by its random nature) to NOT be for this.

There are plenty of FCs and LSs... there are almost as many shouts to join an FC as there are RMT sellers (almost).


That being said: Harassment, hate, MPK, abuse, etc. There NEVER is justification for that. Anyone who does that is extremely small and petty and a truly pathetic person who should be ignored at all costs. For those who run into them in dungeons, please, give them *ONE* chance to change their behavior. If they fail to do so, simply leave. The rotten personalities of other people should not impact other's enjoyment of this beautiful game.

[dontcare]

Duty-finder was originally designed as a stop-gap to prevent people from waiting when completing the story.

It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

[ispano]

It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

And you would be wrong, as others before you have been. I will not repeat the posts, you can find them yourself.

[Asiaine]

It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

Invalid argument. It does not matter what the majority use a system for, the priority is given to what the system is meant to be used for.

[Darklordkjell]

Hopefully in a couple of months, such ***holes quit the game and will do something to ruin their own lives.

[Steeled]

The DF is so bad because there's so little to do and it's just an crying-blood grind.

Can you honestly blame people for just trying to get their tomes and every instance finding some guy that wants to double the length of the run because he's watching cutscenes?

I've done CM once and decided it was the dumbest raid I'd ever seen and never went again, but you know what? I viewed it as courteous to skip the cutscenes. I respect that not everyone does, but making the group wait on me seemed lame. I did this before I was even asked, and I did it early on, before CM Speed Runs were a major fad.