This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

[ispano]

So them making the other 7 people wait and ruining their experience is okay? Lol I understand it's not our game but it is for us to play it. And since we're playing it with other people you have to learn how to share and sometimes do things you don't want too. It seems like none of you were taught that as a child. None of you ever had to do the majority rule system in school? I mean this is absurd lol. Yeah I know CS were meant to be watched but guess what? They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

I've learned far more in my first 18 years than most have in 50. You said it yourself, they gave an OPTION to skip. But you keep glossing over the fact it's not given to you unless you choose to use it. The CS plays automatically, and there's a reason for that. You have to WILLINGLY make the choice to skip it. You have to willingly opt out of the cutscene. That means the content was designed around watching it. It was designed to be watched. The fact SE wants people to watch them, trumps ANY "majority rule" people wish to use to get people to skip or leave.

Like I said before, if it always popped up and asked you if you wanted to watch or not watch, then you would be correct. 7 players trying to get the 8th to skip for any reason is harassment. If you ask nicely? Fine, but that's not what most people do. And the person can still say no.

I say all this as someone who skipped ALL Cutscenes in dungeons, even my first time. But that was a choice against the default. I will never expect someone new, regardless of majority, to do the same.

Lastly, majority rule is not always right. People think it's an absolute and must always be followed, this is wrong.

[Faedden]

It's not the same watching it in an inn

That's a personal preference because I watched some of the scenes in an inn and it was just fine. If you're going to hold everyone up for a personal preference. That's being selfish. I realize it's a story dungeon but SE made it one of the best ways to get tomes. So now it's NOT ONLY a story dungeon.People who want to slow down a farming process for a ONE TIME STORY should have the burden of finding pre made groups. I personally think anyone who wants to use the DF can and should. You just have to deal with other people's play styles and that's what a lot of kids here don't know how to do.

People quitting the game because of what some loser said is ridiculous. If they're willing to quit over that, they probably didn't like the game too much to begin with.

[silentwindfr]

you know that the trouble is not the DF?
but the people that want all fast, immediatly, now!! worst this player are often not good player... they get them full Darklight armor but miss all the important skill they need to get for the endgame content, like swiftcast for the healer. check most of the person full DL you will be amazed, most of them have one class 50, one class 15 and nothing else.

the trouble is the speedrun, you can say me whatever you want.... is the main trouble it's this mentality that say you need to be the first... when it's clearly impossible since legacy group full DL was already there hehehe. i found it really really funny.

i have already say it into another thread, speedrun while using DF must be considering as griefing and harassing (often it lead to that) and must be considerer like a bannable action. like said you want to speedrun fine... don't force people to do it! don't ruin the game of the other! want to do it? create a group for that.

but speedrunner, will mostly be the first burned up people that will leave the game. in a couple of month we will laughs thinking about this...

[Vinta]

Learn to be thick-skinned. The world is full of these people, it's not just the game. She should have just left and re-queued after 15 minutes. No one is forcing her to stay with that group

That shouldn't be an excuse in their favor. We should not learn to be thick-skinned, we should be enforcing that this behavior is not a good thing.

[Moirear]

They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

There originally was no option to review cutscenes in the beta, and people complained about that because sometimes they had to skip cutscenes for RL reasons and wanted to then re-view them later (some of them are very long) or accidentally skipped them.

The issue that a story dungeon is one that people need/want to run over and over again to grind is a seperate story that maybe needs to be reconsidered. But arguably, if you're an endgamer, you should be in a decent FC or LS and putting together parties for speedrunning together like a well-oiled machine, not complaining about newbies in the DF.

[ispano]

That shouldn't be an excuse in their favor. We should not learn to be thick-skinned, we should be enforcing that this behavior is not a good thing.

Again, you can do both. Having a thick skin and accepting a certain behavior are NOT the same thing. Take these two examples in response to the same offensiveness. One person breaks down in tears and wants to quit the game. The other tells the person they are vulgar or whatnot and reports them if it warrants it. Neither accept the behavior, but the second one has "thick skin"

[Adelphe]

Pre-made groups are worse in my experience, i joined one thought hey a speed run, must be really fast right, so i join as healer, 7 members, 1 last spot, tank, they invite a bard, they say 1 tank is all that is needed, they were completely obsessed with there dps, one of them had a dps meter program or something, and they kept comparing dps, the BLM and SMN had agro more than the 1 tank group had, we wiped so many times on 2nd boss due to group being so lazy with killing adds, i can understand with 2 tanks u can some times not kill adds if you have good dps, but still.

We some how manged in the end, but i really did not enjoy the Castrum run and will be the last time i ever do a Pre-made with strangers, random pugs or FC runs all the way, lol

And yes i think there should be some incentive for people running it with first timers to be patient and not rude to people watching cut scenes, god knows how they would do it.

[Caraway]

My god... I'm finding myself wondering if this game is worth staying with if this is the kind of attitude I get to deal with when I hit 50.

Is it really so big of a deal for a couple of people to wait five minutes to complete a run? Cutscenes aren't overly long, and they're immersive. Having them when you come into a room and showing you what's going on, the why of it, is why they're there. It was the way the dungeon was designed.

I've gone back to old dungeons I've completed plenty of times and happily sat while other people watched the cutscene. What's a few minutes?

And this is the thing... Why would anyone want to deal with people who feel it's okay to bully them into some "hurry hurry hurry" group-think mentality? Why would someone want to spend their leisure time being forced to rush, or sit on their thumbs?

And Faedden, people quitting the game because of abuse has nothing to do with enjoying the game. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags ridiculing them for enjoying the game as presented. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags telling them to "grow a thick skin" if they want to play a video game. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags who think that five minutes of time is worth more than a community.

[Darkillumina]

I love how the response of people is 'make a pre-made.'

The mission description when you are doing the story says to and I quote 'use duty-finder to queue up for *insert dungeon here". It doesn't say, 'use duty-finder for speed-runs and grinding, if you want to experience the story play with some friends.'

Duty-finder was originally designed as a stop-gap to prevent people from waiting when completing the story. Not for people to ruin the experience of people who are just trying to enjoy the story by matching them with people who verbally abuse them for trying to enjoy the story. You should be saying make a pre-made to the people grinding tomes. Not the people who are trying to get through the story.

This isn't DOTA. Its nowhere near as challenging, but people here are treating other players worse than the DOTA/League community and that's saying something.

[amnie]

I randomly queue as a whm/con in dungeons and be the 'knight in shining armour' for people who have the misfortune of a crappy group. I queue for ifrit/titan too occassionally and I usually expect not to see the end of it. lol.
granted this is only up to lvl 32 but why not? dps have shorter queues and if there's an asshat in the group I can just go all 'do this without the healer' on them.

I already know that at lvl 50 I will make it a point to AT LEAST queue with a friendly healer and/or tank so I can be sure nobody can do anything if I want to watch a cutscene (or if I've already done it we can make sure others can watch the scenes)

I will however NOT just 'give in' and stop using the duty finder. the more often I queue the higher the chance for others to have at least one person in their group that won't yell at them for stupid crap. the less 'decent' people queue, the more asshats abuse the duty finder.