This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

[ispano]

No. Learning to accept the vile behaviour is the first step to keep things as they are. Things need to be better.

Being thick skinned and accepting the behavior are not the same thing.

[Tupsi]

Being thick skinned and accepting the behavior are not the same thing.

It is pretty much - Thick skinned means you don't let stuff bother you, which is the same as accepting the behavior because "it doesn't bother you" and if you speak out against it or want something to change you get told "grow thicker skin."

[ispano]

It is pretty much - Thick skinned means you don't let stuff bother you, which is the same as accepting the behavior because "it doesn't bother you" and if you speak out against it or want something to change you get told "grow thicker skin."

Except it's not.

http://www.self.com/blogs/flash/2013...cker-skin.html

Accepting the behavior means you think it's ok. Means it's acceptable to you. Here's the thing, just because you don't accept the behavior, doesn't mean you can change the behavior of that person. So you need thick skin to prevent it from causing problems with yourself. Doesn't mean you accept it in the slightest.

[Faedden]

I see I've left you speechless

Lol what? I was editing my post since it's a small limit. People like me? Maybe you should read my post above. I'm one of the FEW people that don't scream at people if that have white gear. I say lets go anyway. Either we're gonna make it or we're going to keep dying. But in the end I ALWAYS make a new friend. People like you are what's toxic. The whole "I only care about my self" attitude, it's ridiculous.

I have read the storyline! And I've been the person that wanted to watch the CS while others didn't. They didnt rage they just said it's a speed run. I said oh okay. Now I had three options.
A. Stay be a jerk slow everyone down (since I'm the healer)
B. Leave and find a group that wouldn't mind
C. Finish the group and watch it in the inn.

I understand you like the story and think other people should play for the story too but they don't. That is life.

[Ryuko]

Lol what? I was editing my post since it's a small limit. People like me? Maybe you should read my post above. I'm one of the FEW people that don't scream at people if that have white gear. I say lets go anyway. Either we're gonna make it or we're going to keep dying. But in the end I ALWAYS make a new friend. People like you are what's toxic. The whole "I only care about my self" attitude, it's ridiculous.

I don't care if you scream at people or not, although it's nice that you don't. It's the attitude you have, which you CLEARLY posted on THIS thread about people griefing each other. It's the fact that you said it was selfish for people to watch the cutscenes, even if you don't say it to people in the dungeon you are in.

Seriously, how does it look like I only care about myself? You know I'm far past the storyline, right? I can't even tell you the amount of times I've done Castrum for tomestones... and never, ever, will I think it is selfish that other people want to watch the cutscenes. If you think that is toxic, I really have no idea what to say to you. People who want speed runs should prebuild a group. Otherwise, you may be stuck with people who want to watch the cutscenes and IF they do, you need to respect it... both in action and in thought. If you 'don't say something' and then come to the forums and hypothetically call people selfish... that's not being very amicable.

[Faedden]

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It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

The same options people give speed runners can be used for people who want to watch the CS it's that simple.

[ispano]

It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

They don't have to think their time is more important. Again, they are there to be watched, otherwise they wouldn't be. Should they be forced to skip or quit and take a 15 minute timer + queue time JUST because the other 7 want to rush? No. Because that ruins the experience for them. And SE wants them to have that experience if they wish. You keep talking majority, but it's SE's game, not ours. It's like someone who thinks they have free speech on the forums or in game, you don't.

[Ryuko]

It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

I already finished the storyline early on because I had the time to. When I finished the storyline, most people were also on the storyline, so most of us were watching the cutscenes and I never had to deal with the "HURRY UP WE'RE FARMING" abuse that others are constantly posting about. However, should I be 'privileged' because I happened to finish the storyline before others? Do I suddenly get to rush anyone else who might be enjoying the storyline now? What about a few months from now when a new influx of players are starting up?

I do not see one person watching a cutscene in a dungeon as selfish. I see it as, "Well, if I wanted to do a speed run, I should have made a premade group..." and I usually do. But if I don't? I don't complain because I CHOSE that. How hard is it to make a premade group, anyway? It's NOT. Just shout in revenant's toll for ten minutes and you'll form a premade within a few minutes.

[Faedden]

. How hard is it to make a premade group, anyway? It's NOT. Just shout in revenant's toll

The same can be said for first timers. I've actually seen several people shout that they are first timers and are looking for other first timers or people who dont mind waiting on the CS

I don't complain because I CHOSE that

Everyone by now should know that the majority of CM runs when using the DF are speed runs. If they decided to use it anyway (regardless if the devs said it's for first timers, first timers aren't the only ones using it) they CHOSE that. They need to understand that speed runs will happen most of the time.

They don't have to think their time is more important. Again, they are there to be watched, otherwise they wouldn't be. Should they be forced to skip or quit and take a 15 minute timer + queue time JUST because the other 7 want to rush? No. Because that ruins the experience for them. And SE wants them to have that experience if they wish. You keep talking majority, but it's SE's game, not ours. It's like someone who thinks they have free speech on the forums or in game, you don't.

So them making the other 7 people wait and ruining their experience is okay? Lol I understand it's not our game but it is for us to play it. And since we're playing it with other people you have to learn how to share and sometimes do things you don't want too. It seems like none of you were taught that as a child. None of you ever had to do the majority rule system in school? I mean this is absurd lol. Yeah I know CS were meant to be watched but guess what? They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

[Ryuko]

The only reason you see the 'majority' of people using DF for speed runs is because you ONLY have to do Castrum ONCE for the story. After that, people farm it for tomestones to get better gear... and you have to farm it a LOT to get Darklight. The body piece alone costs you over thirteen runs (assuming you don't have any gear to trade in from 1.0). This is the reason you see most people who are farming... But that doesn't mean that the first-timers shouldn't be able to enjoy the story if they want to. It's not the same watching it in an inn, and they shouldn't have to keep dropping group because people don't want to wait.

People who are being demanding and skipping cutscenes should be the ones with the burden to build their own group, not players who are still trying to finish the story because the dungeon was BUILT around the story. Yes, people use it to farm tomestones, but the dungeon is part of the MAIN storyline. That is its first purpose. If you want to use it for another purpose, prebuild a group. Luckily, kicking isn't an option so people can watch cutscenes to their heart's content... but not everyone can take the heartless cruelty that is the internet. Perhaps it's the years of verbal 'abuse' I've dealt with as a female pvper in mandatory voice chats, but I've learned to shrug off the mean things people say. Not everyone is the same way, and a casual player is much less likely to know how to deal with the rude people in MMOs. The person in the OP almost quit over it... and this isn't the first time I've seen that happen. That Praetorium group I was in? A few people were criticized so harshly for watching the cutscenes that one person left. A few others decided to leave in this person's defense... but before they left, one person said, "You've ruined this experience for him. He wants to quit the game now. Next time, think about what you say before you say it."