Dont kill the lambs!

[cainejw]

If you're exploiting, in either the computer security sense or literal sense, its still 'using something for your benefit' :/ It helps if you actually read what I write instead of mewling and antagonizing me. Yes, I'm the one who is trolling. I'm not the one who is literally twisting words around, you are. Sad.
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Yes, you are trolling. You're using the word "exploit" against people who play the game in a way you decided was the "wrong" way. Then you throw up your hands and say, "Whoa ho ho" when someone actually calls you out on using that word in that context. You're a troll who throws a bomb then pretends that you only meant to throw an innocent kitten.

You're wrong. The developers have said you're wrong. You even said you were wrong. But, hey, ignoring someone is easier than accepting that you are wrong, admitting it, apologizing for stigmatizing people who did no wrong, and then moving on.

[Kiroh]

I don't understand the point of this thread. If the OP just wants to get their exp and move on, they can kill things for two minutes and leave the fate. You still get exp/gil/seals once the fate is successfully completed, even if you aren't in the fate anymore. So why couldn't you just move on after 2 or 3 minutes, get the exp you wanted, and not ruin the exp for people who wanted to spend the time to get more?

[Amyas]

You're wrong. The developers have said you're wrong. You even said you were wrong. But, hey, ignoring someone is easier than accepting that you are wrong, admitting it, apologizing for stigmatizing people who did no wrong, and then moving on.

You're the one in the wrong though. Go read my original post and you'd know (I even said 'devs said its working as intended, either way' when I said 'how its meant to be played' I really meant that. The game is also meant to be played by 'killing the lambs' /sigh), but no, its easier to call someone a troll and twist their words around than it is to have to use your brain to decipher the meanings of sentences.

[ErBear]

I don't understand the point of this thread. If the OP just wants to get their exp and move on, they can kill things for two minutes and leave the fate. You still get exp/gil/seals once the fate is successfully completed, even if you aren't in the fate anymore. So why couldn't you just move on after 2 or 3 minutes, get the exp you wanted, and not ruin the exp for people who wanted to spend the time to get more?

I can get over 80k exp in that fate, there are 3 parts each a different fate. 20k for the first 20k for the second and 40k for the last part. I can easily miss the last parts because they last a minute literally, there I missed 60k exp just because you tell me to go to a different fate after I do my damage. I'm sorry but who are you to decide I'm wrong or anyone else that just wants to do the fate and get out?

My main thing is WHO CARES IF THE FATE ENDS, DONT TREAT PEOPLE LIKE GARBAGE OVER SOME STUPID EXP! seriously had a few people that told me to go kill myself and worse. Trolls dont just become, they are made.

[Arale]

Lol, people are mad they cant power level because someone ruins it for them? Holy shit, I hope the bots come and kill the lambs on all of your servers. Maybe then you'd stop the AoE2Win fest and actually play the game. I've actually done DD as well, and the amount of ridicule someone gets when they kill the lambs, purposely or not, is just beyond stupid. If SE won't stop the imbalance that powerleveling from FATEs is creating in other facets of the game, social aspect MUCH included, then the players have to step in and try to curb it I guess. Most people are paying attention to their golden chat logs, and not their level 20 gear.

[Welsper59]

Sorry, you don't want people to finish it early then don't do it yourself. Devs said its working as intended, either way, so just stop it with that argument. :P No one is forcing you to exploit the fate like that (yes, you're exploiting it, no matter what the devs say)

I don't think I've ever said that it was wrong or incorrect for them to end it. I was saying they're not a cooperative player. So what if you miss out on one FATE (by solo standards), why purposely destroy what the majority are aiming for? There are going to be people who are ignorant of why people like DD, and end up finishing the FATE early. That's fine, whatever. But to purposely end it, knowing that you're just gonna mess everyone else up, well... it's kinda bad character on your part. Do you miss out on full benefits of the first DD FATE? Yes, but only due to circumstance. Again, nothing to do with right and wrong gameplay, just you as a person. Which is, I think, what the whole underlying argument of DD is about.

You really shouldn't misuse "exploit". Perhaps by your warped use of it, it fits though... so I guess that would explain why you feel it's right. Mind you, the definition is right, but the implications is wrong. You're clearly utilizing the word under a negative pretense, which in this case, would make the use wrong (since there's no wrongdoing by anyone... there's no negative pretense to "exploit" as a result). People do exploit DD, but only by meaning of using the FATE to the max potential (to get the most out of it). In that case, it's no different than claiming the solo player is attempting to exploit DD, but always fails to. Why you feel like pointing out that people "exploit" DD is beyond me.

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It's a never ending cycle as far as who's right or wrong. Both sides are right and wrong. As I mentioned, it's just a matter of character. Imagine if, based on your last sentence, the norm was reversed. Everyone was doing the exp grinding, rather than actually finishing the FATE. Would you do the same and follow them with killing mobs for the 15min? Or would you be the lone wolf and take that away from the others, simply because you think they're wrong to do it that way?

[Lexxuk]

No, blacklisting people who continually interfere with how myself and a few dozen or more other players are getting experience isn't juvenile.

Continually interfering with people who are farming experience because you don't agree with their methods, when there are plenty other fates available for you to complete, is EXTREMELY juvenile, and not the type of person I would ever want to play with, hence the blacklist.

But the reverse is also true, you are trying to interfere with solo or low group players who want to complete the fate and get on with all the other Fates in the area. You want to prevent them from getting the XP from completion of Phase 1, then 2, then 3, by telling them to bugger off because "this fate is ours!".

It's not juvenile at all to want to play the game as intended, by following the layout of the Fate, if the Fate says "kill X" and people actually kill X, they are playing the game as intended and not trolling, stating "you can't kill X because we don't want you to, we want the easy XP", that is the issue. *YOU* want the easy XP and everyone else who doesn't agree with you and avoid partaking in content because of that is obviously in the wrong and should be put on /blist instantly, not that it makes much difference, unless they end up /sh HM Titan 7/8, all experienced, looking for TANK - and you miss it because they are on your /blist

But hey, like I said, I'm on Durandal (also a Legacy server but JP) and have never witnessed farming in DD, and if I did witness it, I'd follow the other players who are killing the lambs and ignoring the people who think their XP is more important than everyone else.

[Velveteer]

This discussion should have ended with this

mod said it's not an exploit: "Hello,

Since there seems to be a lot of questions and concerns as to whether this is an exploit, I wanted to clarify that the way this FATE functions as well as others similar to it are working as intended and it is not an exploit."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...15#post1329015

Seriously... just stop.

[Mazley]

Like I said before I don't get the rage that people finishing DD causes. hell if people don't kill lambs I'm happy with it and if someone who other people consider a "troll" finish I don't care nor do I get all pissy about it. It's a game after all.

[Dorin]

Like I said before I don't get the rage that people finishing DD causes. hell if people don't kill lambs I'm happy with it and if someone who other people consider a "troll" finish I don't care nor do I get all pissy about it. It's a game after all.

No! FFXIV is serious business!