Dont kill the lambs!

[Mishakai]

I'm quite sure then, you support not blaming/blisting people for just finishing up the FATE? After all, they are ALSO playing the way it was intended - even if it does 'ruin' YOUR xp. Right?

From the responses in this thread, it seems like most wouldn't agree with your position that we should hold those who are using normal game mechanics blameless for doing so.

If someone runs up and kills the lambs, generally I give them the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone knows how players are completing this.

People who continually end the FATE early ruining the XP farming, I black list them once I realize their actions are habitual. Plainly put, people who continue that kind of behavior, knowing 100% that it aggravates other people, are assholes.

[Lexxuk]

If someone runs up and kills the lambs, generally I give them the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone knows how players are completing this..

Correction : How those who are in a party and are attempting to prevent the completion of the fate by people who want to complete the fate. You are (by definition) not completing the fate, you are active in your attempts to prevent completion of said fate, completion of the fate is the polar opposite of your intentions and the intentions of your group, so blacklisting someone who are attempting to complete the fate... bit juvenile that.

[cainejw]

I'm quite sure then, you support not blaming/blisting people for just finishing up the FATE? After all, they are ALSO playing the way it was intended - even if it does 'ruin' YOUR xp. Right?

I can't control the reactions someone does or does not have. To assume I do gives me more power than I have.

I can only say that the developers have made it clear. DD is working as intended. Farming the mobs is not an exploit. Ending the FATE is not an exploit. However, the issue here isn't which of these two things is or isn't an exploit.

One side is saying it is an exploit, the people doing it are exploiters, and they should be punished by those who run the game.
Another side is saying it isn't an exploit and ending the farm makes you a jerk who should be socially outcast.

One of these is much more severe than the other.

[ashikenshin]

I'm quite sure then, you support not blaming/blisting people for just finishing up the FATE? After all, they are ALSO playing the way it was intended - even if it does 'ruin' YOUR xp. Right?

From the responses in this thread, it seems like most wouldn't agree with your position that we should hold those who are using normal game mechanics blameless for doing so.

Two totally different things. I'm not even sure what one has to do with the other. The exploit argument was because it could lead to banning because of not using the game properly or like the devs intend it to. The blist argument is because if you decide to troll the people doing the zone by killing the lambs.

exploiting and being a douche are two different things

Correction : How those who are in a party and are attempting to prevent the completion of the fate by people who want to complete the fate. You are (by definition) not completing the fate, you are active in your attempts to prevent completion of said fate, completion of the fate is the polar opposite of your intentions and the intentions of your group, so blacklisting someone who are attempting to complete the fate... bit juvenile that.

how are those in the party attempting to prevent the completion of the fate? by chat? if you are in that zone you are obviously leveling up and therefore you need the xp. You see your chatlog with shouts of people telling everyone "don't kill the lambs" yet you decide to troll them. You are nothing but a troll since you decided to ruin their fun and will be blisted in return. To say that you just want to complete the objective for the seals is a lie. You didn't care about the seals, you wanted people to rage and since you have the power of the internet behind you you know your actions don't represent any harm to you. Yeah they will blist you but it doesn't generate physical pain to you, like a child you do it anyway. No empathy or anything.

basically trolls are going to troll

[Amyas]

By definition, an exploit in a video game is the use of a mechanic that the developers did not intend. They say they've intended this. Ergo it is not an exploit. The developers have said it's not an exploit, it is working as intended, and this is how it is meant to be played.

Don't blame people for playing the game how it was meant to be played and 'ruining' your xp.

https://www.google.com/search?q=expl...ient=firefox-a 'make full use of, and derive benefit from a resource.'

Come on, it is literally the definition of 'exploit'.

[cainejw]

https://www.google.com/search?q=expl...ient=firefox-a 'make full use of, and derive benefit from a resource.

Come on, it is literally the definition of 'exploit'.

That is not the context in which you are using the word and you know it. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. You are using it to denote that players are using a mechanic in the game that exists contrary to the intent of the game. You even built it in to your post! You said that people are exploiting and complaining because others are playing the game "the way it was meant."

Frankly, I shouldn't be surprised that you would stoop to such a tactic. You know you're wrong, but you refuse to admit it. You'd rather attempt to play semantics and change the context rather than admit it. You're eventually going to have to stop playing stupid. You are wrong.

Edit: While I'm loathed to use Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(video_gaming)

[Amyas]

That is not the context in which you are using the word and you know it. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. You are using it to denote that players are using a mechanic in the game that exists contrary to the intent of the game. You even built it in to your post! You said that people are exploiting and complaining because others are playing the game "the way it was meant."

Frankly, I shouldn't be surprised that you would stoop to such a tactic. You know you're wrong, but you refuse to admit it. You'd rather attempt to play semantics and change the context rather than admit it. You're eventually going to have to stop playing stupid. You are wrong.

What? You don't tell me what I meant, okay? I even gave an example (THAT YOU QUOTED) that 'if I was the only player who was capable of x meld I could exploit players of their gil', sorry there are other meanings for words outside of the video game world.

EDIT: I'll even go back and bring up what I said originally "Sorry, you don't want people to finish it early then don't do it yourself. Devs said its working as intended, either way, so just stop it with that argument. :P No one is forcing you to exploit the fate like that (yes, you're exploiting it, no matter what the devs say) "

[Mishakai]

Correction : How those who are in a party and are attempting to prevent the completion of the fate by people who want to complete the fate. You are (by definition) not completing the fate, you are active in your attempts to prevent completion of said fate, completion of the fate is the polar opposite of your intentions and the intentions of your group, so blacklisting someone who are attempting to complete the fate... bit juvenile that.

No, blacklisting people who continually interfere with how myself and a few dozen or more other players are getting experience isn't juvenile.

Continually interfering with people who are farming experience because you don't agree with their methods, when there are plenty other fates available for you to complete, is EXTREMELY juvenile, and not the type of person I would ever want to play with, hence the blacklist.

[cainejw]

? I even gave an example that 'if I was the only player who was capable of x meld I could exploit players of their gil'

I can tell you because you posted it. Right here. Let me quote:

Don't blame people for playing the game how it was meant to be played and 'ruining' your xp when that is how it was meant to be played.

Now, you're pretending that you meant exploit in a totally different way. You meant it just as using something for benefit!

Sorry, but your own words belie your pretense that you meant exploit as just benefiting from something. You meant the word "exploit" in one single context: people who are playing the game contra to developer intent, doing something wrong, and then attacking those who you say are playing the game right.

If you are unwilling to accept your own words then you're clearly just trolling at this point.

[Amyas]

I can tell you because you posted it. Right here. Let me quote:




Now, you're pretending that you meant exploit in a totally different way. You meant it just as using something for benefit!

If you're exploiting, in either the computer security sense or literal sense, its still 'using something for your benefit' :/ It helps if you actually read what I write instead of mewling and antagonizing me. Yes, I'm the one who is trolling. I'm not the one who is literally twisting words around, you are. Sad.
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Saves us both the trouble since we are on two separate wave lengths here.