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    Mei Mei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vektrat View Post
    As Subu and Ally said, rotations should come like breathing, experienced monks should be doing them without thinking about doing them, and fully focusing on the boss mechanics.
    False mnks should never learn their rotations by heart. It's like the worse thing. Mnks are very manual. They should adapt and change at will.

    Just like you can't Dot ifrit without knowing his time window, you can't have an internal clock on debuffs. Things will push/pull and kill you. There will be resets, lag time, and target switches, and animation frames. If they ever improve the debuff UI, it will get easier to ingest information quickly, but otherwise all you're doing is armchairing, and Mnks suffer the most when they try to over reach, because it penalizes them a lot.

    I bet you're one of those people that get hit and then whine "I was clearly outside the circle!" when most of us by know it's better to play it waaaay safe outside it.

    Crap happens, and it happens less when you don't tempt fate. Mnks needs to learn that pretty hard, or they need to play a more consistent job.
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    Vektrat Pirineu
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    False mnks should never learn their rotations by heart. It's like the worse thing. Mnks are very manual. They should adapt and change at will.

    Just like you can't Dot ifrit without knowing his time window, you can't have an internal clock on debuffs. Things will push/pull and kill you. There will be resets, lag time, and target switches, and animation frames. If they ever improve the debuff UI, it will get easier to ingest information quickly, but otherwise all you're doing is armchairing, and Mnks suffer the most when they try to over reach, because it penalizes them a lot.
    I'm glad you took your time to hint how you are a true monk and decide to blame me for supposedly getting hit for areas while you just dodge everything.

    I'll make use of this opportunity to show off this opportunistic titan dodge move, I think it's pretty cool! https://www.dropbox.com/s/4czjpxqrkji1rls/monkeys.gif

    Now, I never talked about static rotations, and two to clarify, I with "rotations should come like breathing" I was talking about dealing with everything class specific to deal damage", that is keeping your golden rules into check, looking at buffs, feeling when to do what, etc.

    About crafting (personal opinion)
    I went leatherworking (complemented with mining), just because it seemed most of armour came from it, and because of the relic requirement, however this last one was just an excuse to get it up. I'm happy with it, feels a bit useless now (when thinking about geared MNK), but I have hopes for future changes that will let us benefit more from it.

    I'd say goldsmith is also a good choice, most (if not all?) of the jewellery can be made by them, and some MNK arms as well, plus it seems to complement good with mining.

    Another pair I'd have liked to level (more end-game friendly I guess), is culinary + fishing (I assume they can go by the hand?), the rest of tradeskills are the ones I'm discarding the most, no idea if I miss something important though!
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    Last edited by Vektrat; 09-28-2013 at 07:02 PM.

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    Can i mention one pro tip? It would seem... under certain situtations... you can pull out more damage with fists of wind rather than fists of fire!, unbelieveable eh?

    But seriously... try fists of wind on heavy aoe fights that require a lot of dodging, the difference is huge.

    And you can also switch fist stances if you know fight well.

    Heck if you were very good you could pre emp fist stances (fire for when only damaging, earth for unavoidable big hits and wind for avoiding aoe's)

    Just some thoughts... this makes monk even more complicated but if you could master these abilities it could improve many situations.

    Does anyone actually change fist stance throughout fight? Im assuming most dont but im wondering how beneficial it could be to master it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhained View Post
    Can i mention one pro tip? It would seem... under certain situtations... you can pull out more damage with fists of wind rather than fists of fire!, unbelieveable eh?
    [...]

    Does anyone actually change fist stance throughout fight? Im assuming most dont but im wondering how beneficial it could be to master it.
    I change to Fists of Earth under circumstances where I can't attack and I expect incoming damage, however I'm never using Fists of Wind (other than city running, never needed it on Titan either), I don't really think the speed buff is worth it in most situations, leave alone switch it on for a single area, looks pretty small to me :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vektrat View Post
    I change to Fists of Earth under circumstances where I can't attack and I expect incoming damage, however I'm never using Fists of Wind (other than city running, never needed it on Titan either), I don't really think the speed buff is worth it in most situations, leave alone switch it on for a single area, looks pretty small to me :/
    If greased lightning will fall off because there is a lot of target switching, or there is a lot of movement, etc then I will use it over fists of fire.
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    Gwendolen Delluvierre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhained View Post

    Does anyone actually change fist stance throughout fight? Im assuming most dont but im wondering how beneficial it could be to master it.
    I fist swap all the time, especially in predictable fights.
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