I am new to Castrum Meridianum

[Neasa]

Why is that exactly? Why should 6-7 people wait for 1-2 just because they are new (getting carried in this case)?

Someone being new to the instance does not mean they'll be "getting carried." I'm still frequently surprised by how quick to learn some first-timers are... And they're often better than some of the relic-users I see. They're only being carried because everyone's impatient.

If you're using duty finder to run storyline dungeons and you have the nerve to whine about players being new or wanting to watch the cutscenes, you need your head examined. Run with a pre-made group, or don't complain if someone's doing the dungeon for its original purpose.
(This part wasn't necessarily directed at you, but many others.)

[Nesfer]

I'm happy for others to view the cutscenes if they so wish to. I won't force anyone to 'Watch them in the inn.' Thankfully my FC was kind enough to wait for me as I viewed them - hell, they even let me watch every single one in Praetorium. I've done a few pug runs and I see people just stating that they will watch the cutscenes - which by all means is fine. But there are some others who will rush ahead and lock these people out of fights which is pretty sad.

[Dire]

because it is the right of the 1-2 to see the first time the CS in a story dungeon. They don't get carried if the others can wait. If they can't wait, they should not use random group DF to do a speed run in a story dungeon. They should expect it that there could be someone who would be the first time in it, not be shocked about it.

The moment the 6-7 start the speed-run without waiting until the other player ended his CS, they choose themself to carry the other player in free will. They were not forced not to wait.

It's the right of the 6-7 to have a quick and efficient run in the only dungeon that allows for it when one is still undergeared for AK/hardmodes. They won't have to wait if the others don't make them. Those others should not use DF to watch CSs in the only dungeon everyone HAS to farm in order to progress. They should expect that the majority are not there for the story, not be shocked by it. The moment the 1-2 start watching CSs they choose to be left behind. They were not forced to watch the CSs.

See what I did there?

Your side of the argument is in no way more valid than the other side. Ultimately the fault lies with SE for making the story dungeon also the only place where fresh 50s can gear up in order to progress; they will have to resolve it, or it will remain a problem - and will probably get worse for those wanting to watch CSs as there will be fewer and fewer of them as time goes on.

[WiiTee]

I watched all the cutscenes in CM. They were good . My DF party was raging that I wasn't skipping cutscenes. I didn't care and they wiped themselves a good deal of times because they lacked dps ^^. I still enjoyed my cutscenes and if people in my DF groups ever say "Skip CS" I'll reply with "Watch the CS they're amazing."

Can I understand their frustration because you are not skipping cutscenes? Yup, that's why you make premade CM/Praetorium Speed Runs and you will be wanting to do those unless you want to spend 1hr 20min for a mere 100 Philosophers. Sign up through DF and it's your own fault.

[silentwindfr]

i feel SE need to take an hard stance against speedrunner in DF, speed running dungeon with DF must be considering as griefing the other since they will, most of the time, ruin your gaming experience (not all speedrunner are like this)

if you want to speedrun, go make a full group, you did enjoy your first experience don't go ruin the one of the other! is not because you was there before that give you the right to decide how the game must be played!

too much speedrunning, fast exp... have lead to a horrible community, because SE haven't stop this when it did begin. but CM/praetorium is still the end of your actual story and allows people to ruin this... is really really bad!

[Ramsey]

To be fair to the side of the argument telling those wanting only to farm tomes to form a pre-made, they do have a point. The only way they are worth grinding for tomes is if you can do them blazingly fast, and that's only going to happen with a pre-made. You do not need to farm tomestones for AK. Unless you've been spending yourself into a blackhole anyone hitting 50 should have enough money to buy an HQ crafted iLvl55 weapon (Aeolian Scimitar, Sanguine Scepter, etc. which by the way are better than GC weapons, and everything pre-Ifrit) and some cheap lv50 accessories. And you really don't need anything other than that to tackle AK.

[Felis]

Those others should not use DF to watch CSs in the only dungeon everyone HAS to farm in order to progress.

What happened with AK?

[Ramsey]

What happened with AK?

A lot of people do not seem to realize the market boards actually exist, or that anything sold on the markets could possibly be useful for them while also being affordable. This is true for max level in most MMOs. Hopefully this information will disseminate, but until then, I think most people have zero idea that they have more than one option for getting a weapon better than their 44 aetherial to go into AK with.

[Hawklaser]

It's the right of the 6-7 to have a quick and efficient run in the only dungeon that allows for it when one is still undergeared for AK/hardmodes. They won't have to wait if the others don't make them. Those others should not use DF to watch CSs in the only dungeon everyone HAS to farm in order to progress. They should expect that the majority are not there for the story, not be shocked by it. The moment the 1-2 start watching CSs they choose to be left behind. They were not forced to watch the CSs.

See what I did there?

Your side of the argument is in no way more valid than the other side. Ultimately the fault lies with SE for making the story dungeon also the only place where fresh 50s can gear up in order to progress; they will have to resolve it, or it will remain a problem - and will probably get worse for those wanting to watch CSs as there will be fewer and fewer of them as time goes on.

Does it really slow the group down much if those doing the speed runs take a moment to wait for the people watching the cutscenes to catch up to the group before starting a boss fight? When I went through CM I didn't skip any CSs, and out of the whole place there was only 1 that happened in the middle of action, and that was when had to deal with the airship. I am a rather quick CS watcher and the group I happened to do it with was speed running, and I only missed the first fight by about 5 steps, it literally sealed off in my face. Didn't miss any of the others.

I get that others may not watch the CSs at the same rate as I do, but still if you can not spare an extra couple of minutes for someone to catch up after a CS before starting a boss, I would hate to see what happens when key members d/c or any number of other things that could come up to pull someone away for a bit, or even worse a group actually ends up wiping on one of the bosses with how some are getting bent out of shape over people that just want a moment to catch up after their CSs so they can participate in the boss fights.

[Macka]

We still doing CM runs if you want to join us OP