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  1. #61
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    Hawklaser's Avatar
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    Kyterra Lianleaf
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblade View Post
    Vensaval , how can you expect after weeks into the game to find people who still want to watch cutscenes. There were players who were lvl 50 like 3 days in. It was clearly stated to you "This is a Speed Run" and given the fact your DPS and new to the group . To be honest the group didnt even need you there to do it.Being new your to under geared to contribute to a speed run.
    Your only option is to do it with your FC because nobody is going to kill massive amounts of trash mobs which give worthless drops and 0 exp for fun. You do the run simply for tomestones. If you really want to watch cvutscenes just stay at the begining and in 30 minutes ull be done cause the group will finish it without you.
    I don't care how old the game is, I will always expect new players that want to watch the cutscenes in any story dungeon using the Duty Finder. Not every one devours content like a locust. If it ever gets to a point where there are not new players wanting to watch the cutscenes when do a story dungeon, it means the game is already in its death throes.
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  2. #62
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    neverendingxsin's Avatar
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    Jonn Snow
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    Coeurl
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Just watch them anyways while the rest of the group does whatever. Trust me you'll be doing plenty of CM in the future and will have plenty of chances to kill the mobs and bosses.
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  3. #63
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    Brises Ravenheart
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblade View Post
    Vensaval , how can you expect after weeks into the game to find people who still want to watch cutscenes.
    Actually, one month after official release, there are many players just now reaching end game. The rate of players progressing through the game will decline, but there will still be a steady stream of new people buying the game and progressing through it. It puzzles me why new players are expected to organize groups to play through a first time, but more experienced players are not. If speed runners don't have FC members to organize with, and have to use duty finder, they really have no right to order others around. IMO the right of players to experience content as intended is greater than the right of players to skip content.
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  4. #64
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    Nipaah's Avatar
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    Pips Nipaah
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post

    The sense of accomplishment I would feel after enduring each and every battle; coming out victorious after challenging my skills and the coordination of my party. It would be nonexistent.
    CM is probably the easiest and most boring dungeon in the game, I got to it early and didnt have to speedrun and it definitely did not give any sense of accomplishment to beat it whatsoever.

    That said though, if someone tries to force you to speedrun in DF, just ignore them and watch the cutscenes. If they want to speedrun they can find people for it easily on their server and queue once they have a full group.
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  5. #65
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    Ramsey's Avatar
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    Ramsey Asterdahl
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    Sargatanas
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    Armorer Lv 60
    It's incredibly borked that these are main story missions and farmed for seals. Hoping against hope that these are the two dungeons getting hard modes, but I doubt it.
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  6. #66
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    Deedsie's Avatar
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    Deedlit Blanchimont
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    Excalibur
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    I stand behind those that want to watch the cutscenes. It doesn't matter how many times I've done the dungeon, I will be willing to wait on them.
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  7. #67
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblade View Post
    Vensaval , how can you expect after weeks into the game to find people who still want to watch cutscenes.
    Everyone who have already watched the CS can skip it of course. But they should wait until the first timer has ended his CS. They can use the time to speak about what to do, should more than 1 unexperiemented player be in the df party.
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    Last edited by Felis; 09-27-2013 at 04:41 PM.

  8. #68
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    Jus Tice
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    Odin
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Everyone who have already watched the CS can skip it of course. But they should wait until the first timer has ended his CS.
    Why is that exactly? Why should 6-7 people wait for 1-2 just because they are new (getting carried in this case)?
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  9. #69
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavored View Post
    Why is that exactly? Why should 6-7 people wait for 1-2 just because they are new (getting carried in this case)?
    because it is the right of the 1-2 to see the first time the CS in a story dungeon. They don't get carried if the others can wait. If they can't wait, they should not use random group DF to do a speed run in a story dungeon. They should expect it that there could be someone who would be the first time in it, not be shocked about it.

    The moment the 6-7 start the speed-run without waiting until the other player ended his CS, they choose themself to carry the other player in free will. They were not forced not to wait.
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    Last edited by Felis; 09-27-2013 at 04:51 PM.

  10. #70
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    Ramsey Asterdahl
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    Sargatanas
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    Armorer Lv 60
    There are two very different perspectives in this thread that will never be reconciled. In all actuality the developers are at fault for creating this situation. As far as the player's arguments though, both sides are right. Players are entitled to an enjoyable, properly paced run through the dungeon as they complete their story. Players running it for their 10th time for seals are entitled to run it in that way. The developers have failed to differentiate the two.

    I pray that the hard mode dungeons are CM and Praetorium and the seals from the hard modes either completely outstrip the normal modes, or the normal mode's seals are completely removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblade View Post
    Vensaval , how can you expect after weeks into the game to find people who still want to watch cutscenes.
    You have an incredibly warped and sheltered perspective to believe it to be the norm that the average player has already finished the main story a few weeks after a game's launch. I plow through content fast as well, but we are not the norm. The average level of players is still around 20. Even people who picked up the game at launch will continue to roll into the end of the story for months and months to come.
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    Last edited by Ramsey; 09-27-2013 at 04:58 PM.

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