Dear Square Enix! Make the game harder, not easier!

[Cynthis]

I don't have anything against casuals, but if they want the same gear as raiders they need to put in the same time and effort. I have something against laziness and entitlement though.

How about the vast majority that don't have the reflexes, hand-eye coordination and ability to process all the information on screen regardless of how much they practice? Isn't it better they get a chance to do the content after it's become irrelevant to hardcore endgamers rather than the content being completely unused? Take pride in being among the first to do the content and don't begrudge the rest of us.

[Squirrels]

How about the vast majority that don't have the reflexes, hand-eye coordination and ability to process all the information on screen regardless of how much they practice? Isn't it better they get a chance to do the content after it's become irrelevant to hardcore endgamers rather than the content being completely unused? Take pride in being among the first to do the content and don't begrudge the rest of us.

And i want an formula one car from 2008. theres new models anyway so why don't they just sell them for the price of a kia?

[LiadansWhisper]

And i want an formula one car from 2008. theres new models anyway so why don't they just sell them for the price of a kia?

You realize they significantly discount cars once the newer models have come out, right?

[Cynthis]

And i want an formula one car from 2008. theres new models anyway so why don't they just sell them for the price of a kia?

Because they were never mass produced. Look at the price of a mass produced car from 2008 and you'll find it has dropped a LOT in price and MMOs are designed for mass consumption, not as a shiny thing only very few people have.

You and Yoshi alike just don't get it, and apparently never will. Endgame LS's/guilds will always do what's more efficient, if you replace content every 2 months, why should we do it while its hard? We could quit for 2 months, come back, and steamroll it, which obviously isn't fun, so why play? You've made nothing worth doing, nothing has meaning to do it early. If a LS/guild does anything but what is the most efficient then you are wasting your members time and should not exist as a LS/guild, you are effectively attacking your members.

If I could find an LS/FC like the one you describe I might be more inclined to see your point. Your argument about efficiency is a good one in principle but I am not sure I buy it. Everyone knows the new iPhone/car/PC will go down in price 6 month after its out so it's more efficient to wait and buy it later but millions rush to the store the first day. I don't think people are as logical as you give them credit for.

No. It's not about my pride or anything like that, it's about the fact that the content isn't even hard right now. Everyone has their limit, and it's better for everyone if they figure out where it is instead of having everything nerfed down so they don't have to. Honestly I don't see how anyone could find that anything but insulting. They're being patronized, pitied. It's basically them being told they're too bad to continue, so they're being given a major handicap.

I just can't understand the logic of wanting this. You don't need to see all the content in an MMO. You don't need to be able to do everything. It's good to realize and accept your limits.

I'm glad you find the content easy. I am sure not everyone does although I haven't had many problems either so far up to DD. I do accept my limits, that was the crux of my argument but I foresee new endgame content being added every patch/release and not much else except housing. Look at how they've made crafting useless and because I do realize my limitations I have no interest in PvP. So if they basically focus on adding more endgame content and don't nerf the old then there will quickly be huge chunk of content that a lot of people can't do and very little they can do. I don't think that's good for the survival of the game.

[Aicasia]

I'm glad you find the content easy. I am sure not everyone does although I haven't had many problems either so far up to DD. I do accept my limits, that was the crux of my argument but I foresee new endgame content being added every patch/release and not much else except housing. Look at how they've made crafting useless and because I do realize my limitations I have no interest in PvP. So if they basically focus on adding more endgame content and don't nerf the old then there will quickly be huge chunk of content that a lot of people can't do and very little they can do. I don't think that's good for the survival of the game.

That is what the purpose of catch-up content like Zul'Aman was for in WoW. I have nothing against things being more ACCESSIBLE, but they shouldn't be made EASIER for the sake of being made easier, it's all perfectly accessible with minimal investment right now. I'm fine with catchup mechanics as long as they aren't extreme. Zul'Aman was fine, badge gear wasn't. I also don't think they should have removed attunements, but that is irrelevant to my point, so I won't go there. Zul'Aman let individuals and guilds get gear middling somewhere between T5 and T6 to allow newer guilds to catch up and get into BT/Hyjal. If they couldn't progress beyond that then they didn't deserve to be in Sunwell.

It's one thing to make things more accessible so that more people have a chance to see and experience it, it's another entirely to completely ruin the mechanics of the fight so that the guy who never bothered to learn his class could get phat lewt 'just because'. Add catchup content, don't nerf existing content for all the wrong reasons.

Wait, so did they say the hard primal battle content will be nerf once Ultimate or harder version of it is out? Or hard content will get nerf?

Their wording implies that it will be something like Blizzard's system where once the next tier is released the previous tier will receive a nerf. I don't know if it will be the same percentage nerf that Blizzard does or not, but that's what I'm getting from their reply.

[kalfis049]

How about the vast majority that don't have the reflexes, hand-eye coordination and ability to process all the information on screen regardless of how much they practice? Isn't it better they get a chance to do the content after it's become irrelevant to hardcore endgamers rather than the content being completely unused? Take pride in being among the first to do the content and don't begrudge the rest of us.

You'd have to have some sort of crippling illness to not have any of those you listed above.

MMO's are not hard to play. Their not designed to be. All it takes is dedication, and If you can't provide that. Then go away and never come back. Or play a game like WoW, where loot is handed out like mints at a Sonic.

[KimimiAvesta]

You'd have to have some sort of crippling illness to not have any of those you listed above.

That's not true. I fell over yesterday and scraped the skin off the palms of my hands, which in FFXIV terms now relegates me to some light crafting at best. There's no way that's a "crippling illness", but it's still enough to make my WHM useless in a party.

I'm happy that content is being nerfed as new bleeding-edge modes come out - I'm playing mostly for the story/social aspects of the game, and I'll accept l33t player's second hand leftovers if that's the only way I get to do it.

[Aicasia]

How about the vast majority that don't have the reflexes, hand-eye coordination and ability to process all the information on screen regardless of how much they practice? Isn't it better they get a chance to do the content after it's become irrelevant to hardcore endgamers rather than the content being completely unused?

No. It's not about my pride or anything like that, it's about the fact that the content isn't even hard right now. Everyone has their limit, and it's better for everyone if they figure out where it is instead of having everything nerfed down so they don't have to. Honestly I don't see how anyone could find that anything but insulting. They're being patronized, pitied. It's basically them being told they're too bad to continue, so they're being given a major handicap.

I just can't understand the logic of wanting this. You don't need to see all the content in an MMO. You don't need to be able to do everything. It's good to realize and accept your limits.

[Jeronlmo]

How about the vast majority that don't have the reflexes, hand-eye coordination and ability to process all the information on screen regardless of how much they practice? Isn't it better they get a chance to do the content after it's become irrelevant to hardcore endgamers rather than the content being completely unused? Take pride in being among the first to do the content and don't begrudge the rest of us.

You and Yoshi alike just don't get it, and apparently never will. Endgame LS's/guilds will always do what's more efficient, if you replace content every 2 months, why should we do it while its hard? We could quit for 2 months, come back, and steamroll it, which obviously isn't fun, so why play? You've made nothing worth doing, nothing has meaning to do it early. If a LS/guild does anything but what is the most efficient then you are wasting your members time and should not exist as a LS/guild, you are effectively attacking your members.

People (especially from WoW) seem to believe doing something first means something... when it doesn't/shouldn't, is your LS really good when only 8 of your members can clear content? These LS's like BG that people seem to constantly refer to take a 8man static team and take a week off of work (for those that work, their main whm is an actual drug dealer) to clear things first, then they quit and play another game while the rest of their LS rots, I think they are currently playing GW2 waiting for the next expansion.

Do you know who killed the first Tiamat or DL or really anything in FF11? I bet you don't, and the reason for this is, none cared, first means nothing, its who can gear the most people and be the most successful throughout every aspect of the game, who can take better care of their members and get every single one of them through the content.

P.S. This group calling themselves BG is not the real BG, this group of people used to be in BG in FF11 and bailed on their LS and jumped to WoW and just basically took the name over, they did not like FF11 because the game was unwinnable, they like to game hop and only take care of themselves, their tiny little group of 8-10 people, that's it, they are nothing to aspire to.