Bahamut Coil Saves

[Dorfentyme]

Don't see the problem. In my FC we have three individual groups progressing in coil. Try finding a free company or forming your own group maybe? Trust me, it's more satisfying to do the fights with people who haven't done it before, so you have to learn together. It's a great bonding experience.

Just because it's smooth in your world, doesn't mean it's as easy for everyone else.

Would it -really- affect you in anyway if you could repeat the turns but for no chance at getting gear?

[Zumi]

Just because it's smooth in your world, doesn't mean it's as easy for everyone else.

Would it -really- affect you in anyway if you could repeat the turns but for no chance at getting gear?

I already pointed out people would do the 7 alts 1 main thing to gear up their group super fast, if you are allowed to help other people do the zone. The first 4 turns of coil are really easy once you know the fights.

[Kanzer]

Just because it's smooth in your world, doesn't mean it's as easy for everyone else.

Would it -really- affect you in anyway if you could repeat the turns but for no chance at getting gear?

You seem to think it's 'smooth in my world' simply because I'm lucky. I've been with this group of people for over eight years, and when I first joined them in WoW eight years ago I didn't have everything handed to me. I earned my place in their ranks, just as I do now, just as everyone else does.

There's nothing stopping you from finding a good free company to raid with or starting your own group. Your problem is you don't want to put in the effort.

[Dorfentyme]

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Good job assuming that its ME that is having the issues. I was just agreeing with the guy that I take no issue with being able to repeat Coil in exchange for no loot. My FC and LS are just fine and I don't have problem progressing in endgames in any MMO.

You seem very serious business with the whole "I earned my place in their ranks". Geez guy, it's a game. Get a grip.

I think that "well its always been this way in MMOs" is a bad argument. Yes, it HAS always been that way. Doesn't mean it can't CHANGE though. Game's don't have to copy each other 100%.

[Kanzer]

Good job assuming that its ME that is having the issues. I was just agreeing with the guy that I take no issue with being able to repeat Coil in exchange for no loot. My FC and LS are just fine and I don't have problem progressing in endgames in any MMO.

You seem very serious business with the whole "I earned my place in their ranks". Geez guy, it's a game. Get a grip.

I think that "well its always been this way in MMOs" is a bad argument. Yes, it HAS always been that way. Doesn't mean it can't CHANGE though. Game's don't have to copy each other 100%.

Except that it's not that way in every MMO. It 'used' to be that way in WoW but with how it is currently everyone can see everything the instant it comes out. It completely ruins the immersion and mystique of end game.

I for one am glad that SE hasn't 'copied' their system in this regard.

And get a grip? Of what? It's wrong or misguided somehow to feel proud of what I've accomplished with my friends? Maybe you should get a grip. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. If you don't have the same goals then there's plenty of content for you to enjoy. No need to take away what others find enjoyable because you won't see the content right away.

As content is released, Yoshi-P has already said the previous content will become easier to clear for those who were unable to do so before, while those who are will continue progressing in the new stuff. I'm fine with that, it's how it should be.

[Dorfentyme]

Except that it's not that way in every MMO. It 'used' to be that way in WoW but with how it is currently everyone can see everything the instant it comes out. It completely ruins the immersion and mystique of end game.

I for one am glad that SE hasn't 'copied' their system in this regard.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with anything that we were talking about...did you just change topics or something?

For clarification:
I was discussing that most MMOs have raid lockout timers. And that it wouldn't be a BAD thing if you allowed someone to go into the raid again(before the lockout) to help clear it with friends(but not get any loot). How does that have to do with what you're talking about in the message I quoted?