Is this bannable? I got reported for...

[Eekiki]

You guys are wrong... There is the Definition of unattended, would you like me to get the definition of play? then you can combine them and see where he was breaking the rules.... honestly arguing the worlds definition of a word on a forum.

I'm not arguing "the world's" definition of anything. I'm talking about SE's rules. All SE says is don't use third-party tools to cheat. The OP was not using third party tools. He was using the game's own macro system. He was not breaking any rules at all.

Not looking at your screen poses a big problem.

E.g. If a GM issues warnings or moved you to a different zone. If you keep doing the same actions with no response you're no different then a bot. So you may get banned.

Is it against the rules to not respond to a tell from a GM? (honest question, I don't know if it is or not)

The GMs have other means of detecting botters than whether or not they respond to tells.

[MaFi0s0]

By macro I mean ingame macro because on the controller, targetting selects players as well, I have it so it only selects enemies.

[Pseudopsia]

Is it against the rules to not respond to a tell from a GM? (honest question, I don't know if it is or not)

The GMs have other means of detecting botters than whether or not they respond to tells.

Thought you're reading TOS. It's in there:

In addition to the License Limitations, there are other activities that you are forbidden from doing in connection with the Game ("Prohibited Activities"). In its discretion, Square Enix may use a variety of methods to deal with violations of this User Agreement and the Prohibited Activities, including, but not limited to, any of the following:

• Issuing a warning;
• Placing a character in a "virtual jail" for a specified period of time;

You don't have to respond with a tell, but you better be able to stop what you're doing.

[Noata]

Who's definition is that? Yours or SE's?

This is FFXIV, not the real world. He was not engaging in unattended play. He was pushing the buttons on his controller, which made his character do things. If his character was doing stuff without him pushing any buttons, THAT'S unattended play.

I was replying to you, I said in my post, that "If" it was against TOS then he was guilty, but I defined the definition because you basically said WHOSE defintion. and then even went on to say it was not unattended play, which whether ok or not, it was unattended play. my response was directly to you. your post was arguing unattended play, and that is what i started responding with. Hope that clarifies what I was doing... you shifted arguments

[AsakuraVN]

By macro I mean ingame macro because on the controller, targetting selects players as well, I have it so it only selects enemies.

Basically your doing isn't wrong, but it's still risky to play the game without looking at the screen, in case the GMs need to check (tho the risk is pretty small as there're tons of bots freely teleporting around ingame right now).

So if you afraid of being checked by GMs, just put your TV in dual screen mode (if it has one) or get another screen, problem solved.
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[Menubrea]

I've seen the word unattended being argued back and forth here, and I'm confident that it refers to automation of action. The idea of being banned for not paying attention to what's happening on your screen or choose to ignore people's attention is beyond ludicrous.

Basically your doing isn't wrong, but it's still risky to play the game without looking at the screen, in case the GMs need to check (tho the risk is pretty small as there're tons of bots freely teleporting around ingame right now).

So if you afraid of being checked by GMs, just put your TV in dual screen mode (if it has one) or get another screen, problem solved.
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I do hope for all of us that GM's possess greater means of detecting your legitimacy beyond such things as tells.

[HealBus]

If not paying attention to the game is bannable then all gatherers would probably end up being banned. My leveling to 50 on my miner consisted of occasional glances to the mini map for location and letting muscle memory and numpad 0 handle the rest while watching whatever TV series I had on hand.

[Noata]

Thinking about it more it seems alot like botting, setting a macro to auto kill mobs while you watch TV. I do believe that would be considered a bot in a sense. this is a makeshift auto killer and he is asking if letting the Macro run and it killing mobs while he watches TV is ok. I feel like we started arguing the wrong point and did not address if this was botting or not... I keep seeing this as made, an auto killer, left it to kill while i watched TV... I cant get banned for this can I? I am also concerned how he had multiple whispers and such... exactly how long was he running this auto killer.

[Zantetsuken]

Out of curiosity..

If you don't like playing the game, why do you continue?

I've always wondered about players that use bots, 3rd party Macros, blindplay, etc.. Why would you continue to play a game if you take every possible measure to not play it?



Is there some sort of late-game point at which the game becomes fun/worth playing?? If so, aren't there other games that would give you the same satisfaction without all the hassle leading up to it?

Is it for prestige? Few people care about anyone's characters but their own. So the best you'll get is a head-turn every once in a blue moon - and if you get banned, its all for nothing.

Is it for self-worth? A video game is a very sad place to pursue that.

Is it to satisfy some OCD type issue? I'd imagine that you'd choose something less boring or more productive to spend your compulsive impulses on -- something profitable IRL.


I play this game to have fun, I thought everyone did... I guess I can't understand why you'd bother playing if you didn't enjoy it.

[Aenarion]

Thinking about it more it seems alot like botting, setting a macro to auto kill mobs while you watch TV.

you should probably go back and keep thinking, there is nothing "auto" about it, OP was manually hitting the macro.

I do believe that would be considered a bot in a sense.

in a this-is-not-a-bot sense, maybe.

I feel like we started arguing the wrong point and did not address if this was botting or not...

Much like there is usually no need to address whether the Sun is a star, there is no need to address whether hitting buttons with your hands is a bot or not.