Is this bannable? I got reported for...

[Claire_Pendragon]

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

Macros are an authorized means to play, as long as YOU are the one starting them every time. (Which they were, with a controller, as they watched TV.)

This is called unattended play, which is against T.O.S. Educate yourself.

This rule is specifying he need to be the person inputting the commands, and he is.

He doesnt have to look at the screen, he just needs to be the one using in game options to control their character.

A macro being activated by you, mashing a button, while looking somewhere else, is you being there.

In FFXI there was clarification on this very subject, and GMs stated, you need to respond to GM tells, if they feel you may be using another source to input commands.
You're allowed to use macros, you're allowed to look away fromt he screen, AND you're allowed to ignore GM tells.

BUT you can NOT ignore GM tells, if they are under the impression you are not in control of your character.

PS EDIT: The GMs also said not responding to a tell isnt enough evidence to have a perma ban, but a temporary lock on the account, until you respond. (In most cases, the GM doesnt send tells, they have been seen teleporting players to new locations, to see how they interact with the environment.)

[Junpei]

What hes doing isnt unattended play, it's blind play.

The Macro's hes using are ingame macro. They dont put anything in the chat log like the above person said.

This is just a target macro he has bound, for example, to L2+X followed by a Weaponskill Macro on L2 + 0

All he has to to is alternate these 2 key presses and he can target mobs and fight them without looking at his screen. This is no different that if he were looking at his screen and just ignoring anyone.

It isn't bannable, you havent used any third party programs, you were just ignorant of the players around you and that is no crime.

I Ignore tells all the time, I dont expect to get banned for it.

[Noata]

What hes doing isnt unattended play, it's blind play.

The Macro's hes using are ingame macro. They dont put anything in the chat log like the above person said.

This is just a target macro he has bound, for example, to L2+X followed by a Weaponskill Macro on L2 + 0

All he has to to is alternate these 2 key presses and he can target mobs and fight them without looking at his screen. This is no different that if he were looking at his screen and just ignoring anyone.

It isn't bannable, you havent used any third party programs, you were just ignorant of the players around you and that is no crime.

I Ignore tells all the time, I dont expect to get banned for it.

Definition, Unattended - not noticed or dealt with.

you were just ignorant of the players around you and that is no crime.

If unattended play is against TOS, he was doing it! I am not saying ban hammer him, but that is breaking the rules... so I guess you could say it is a crime lol.
you can spin words around it all you want, but in Law they use definitions not objective viewpoints. your statement just further clarified the meeting of the definition of unattended. by all means I would slap him on the wrist, but by no means was it not wrong

[Eekiki]

Definition, Unattended - not noticed or dealt with.

Who's definition is that? Yours or SE's?

If unattended play is against TOS, he was doing it! I am not saying ban hammer him, but that is breaking the rules... so I guess you could say it is a crime lol.
you can spin words around it all you want, but in Law they use definitions not objective viewpoints. your statement just further clarified the meeting of the definition of unattended. by all means I would slap him on the wrist, but by no means was it not wrong

This is FFXIV, not the real world. He was not engaging in unattended play. He was pushing the buttons on his controller, which made his character do things. If his character was doing stuff without him pushing any buttons, THAT'S unattended play.

[Noata]

Who's definition is that? Yours or SE's?

This is FFXIV, not the real world. He was not engaging in unattended play. He was pushing the buttons on his controller, which made his character do things. If his character was doing stuff without him pushing any buttons, THAT'S unattended play.

I was replying to you, I said in my post, that "If" it was against TOS then he was guilty, but I defined the definition because you basically said WHOSE defintion. and then even went on to say it was not unattended play, which whether ok or not, it was unattended play. my response was directly to you. your post was arguing unattended play, and that is what i started responding with. Hope that clarifies what I was doing... you shifted arguments

[Yuufarlc]

Who's definition is that? Yours or SE's?

un·at·tend·ed
/ˌənəˈtendid/
Adjective
Not noticed or dealt with: "her behavior went unnoticed and unattended to".
Not supervised or looked after: "it is not acceptable for parents to leave children unattended at that age".

Pretty much THE definition, who? the dictionaries

[Matsume]

Didn't even see the rep post

Provided you are not away from the computer and able to respond to a GM if necessary, then it is highly unlikely that it would be determined that you are guilty of an absentee play violation.

[svann]

If a gm teleports you away to gm jail, and your macro keeps going even with no targets, and you dont respond to gm tells then you may be banned for it. Its questionable whether they are actually doing this yet, but I guarantee you that it is done in other games and will be done here too.
edit: and it doesnt matter what the armchair lawyers tell you - they dont need legal proof of guilt to ban anyone.

[Leiloni]

I Ignore tells all the time, I dont expect to get banned for it.

This is a bad idea. If you've been reported for botting a GM will send you a tell to see if you're at the computer. If you don't respond, they will likely ban you for it. It's in the ToS you signed.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1
Under the section titled "Activities that destroy game balance":

Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

I added the bold in myself since so many people in this thread are asking about it. Failure to respond to a tell from a GM is a violation.

And I can tell you they DO whisper you if you look like you're botting. A friend of mine has been asked 3 times while leveling crafting and since he's always at the computer he is able to respond and they leave him alone. If you're not paying attention, you may get yourself in trouble.

[Macka]

This is a bad idea. If you've been reported for botting a GM will send you a tell to see if you're at the computer. If you don't respond, they will likely ban you for it. It's in the ToS you signed.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1
Under the section titled "Activities that destroy game balance":


I added the bold in myself since so many people in this thread are asking about it. Failure to respond to a tell from a GM is a violation.

And I can tell you they DO whisper you if you look like you're botting. A friend of mine has been asked 3 times while leveling crafting and since he's always at the computer he is able to respond and they leave him alone. If you're not paying attention, you may get yourself in trouble.

I have tells, Shouts, and Yells turned off. I use macros for everything I do Fighting, Tanking, fishing, Crafting, and when I start to gather the same I dont have time to get spammed by Bots, or people yelling and shouting for parties, thats what my FC is for.