As LVL 50 in all DOH/DOL - stop now it's a waste of time

[Mishaela]

You did that without buying the items (HQ or not) for your Leves. I can't fathom you actually crafted your way there in 3hrs.

I'm not sure if you're asking or not because of your punctuation use, but, no, I didn't buy the leve turnin items. I popped an exp buff scroll and crafted HQs myself and turned them in for about 300k per leve.

Because if you are playing 2 parts of the game you should be rewarded. If you are maxed out on crafts and lvl 50 DoW/DoM you should have something to show for it not nothing to show for it. Yes if you spend the time crafting and spend the time raiding dungeons, you should have better gear than someone who only raids dungeons. As it stands now, that is not the case. As it stands now the ONLY reason for crafting(minus cooking) is repairs and the relic quest. Yes ilvl 70 crafted gear can be better than darklight, but people saying that it can be better than ilvl 90 gear are dead wrong.

Comparing i70 crafted to i90 non-crafted is a horrible basis for saying crafting is pointless. That's like saying apartments are pointless because three story mansions exist. Besides I don't think anyone is seriously trying to argue that i70 crafted is better than i90. Please post examples of this nonsense because I'd like to see it for a laugh myself.

[suzaku333]

I'm not really sure how anyone could think crafting is pointless and not worth while in this game. As a Crafter myself with all DoH maxed I have been nothing but rewarded for leveling my crafts back in 1.0. It's true that it's not the best gear in the game when compared to BC, but really why would you be comparing it to end game gear that you should be looking forward to getting not just running over to your favorite Crafter and having it created. The gear IMO is designed to give you what you need to succeed in those dungeons. For example I love how there implementing a "Gear Quota" for entering certain Instances/Dungeons. Ever more the reason to strive for that nice HQ gear that will make it possible for you to grind out those dungeons and get some upgrades.

If it's making money your concerned with again I'm confused as like you having everything maxed you should be making HQ end weapons and making a killing, because people do in fact want them over relics in some case, since the option to meld can be tailored for what the person wants to do. All in all my suggesting to have Crafter more involved in the true end game feel is to include more dropped monster parts for weapon/armor/item creation. I have always been a fan of this idea as it gets the Crafters to be a part of gearing end game characters instead of just being the foundation they use to get to end game.

[bwalker36]

I'm not sure if you're asking or not because of your punctuation use, but, no, I didn't buy the leve turnin items. I popped an exp buff scroll and crafted HQs myself and turned them in for about 300k per leve.



Comparing i70 crafted to i90 non-crafted is a horrible basis for saying crafting is pointless. That's like saying apartments are pointless because three story mansions exist. Besides I don't think anyone is seriously trying to argue that i70 crafted is better than i90. Please post examples of this nonsense because I'd like to see it for a laugh myself.

I always forget ?. Sorry about that lol. That is impressive. With armorsmith it just takes forever to make the pre materials then the actual item for the three turnins. I normally stick to Ingots.

[Gamemako]

My understanding was that the HQ Ilvl 70 Stuff melded was decently better than DL.

No, they have identical def/mdef and identical primary stats (always capped innately). They are also weaker in terms of total secondary stats at base -- they have to be overmelded to be better in general, and it's only by a tiny amount as secondary stats are fairly insignificant compared to primary stats. Neither is really going to make a huge difference at ilvl70, and both are undeniably bested by ilvl90 equipment. The reason ilvl70 crafts are so damn stupid is that they cost a ton more dungeon tokens to make despite the requirement for high-level materia and other materials and offer an extremely meager boost in the best of cases.

I always forget ?. Sorry about that lol. That is impressive. With armorsmith it just takes forever to make the pre materials then the actual item for the three turnins. I normally stick to Ingots.

Generally, this is the way to go. Spammed the hell out of Ingot We Trust, etc to level mine. At the very end, mythril alembics are the best by a fair margin, but for most of the way, the time required to craft materials means that you only bother if you are short on leve allowances. In the case of LTW, the primary material leves (leathers) often give out skins and can be turned in 3 times per allowance, meaning you will blast the hell out of those and never even consider the others. Really depends on the class. Some crafters in my linkshells have reported that CUL is monster-easy to level later, and many other posters have noted the same here. I can say that I made 10-50 LTW in about 6 days, and I gathered all my own skins through fighting them and gathering (the Black Alumen excepted). Farming up 1000 alumen took a minute, of course. Regardless, it was much easier than ARM.

//EDIT: Mishaela, refer to this guy claiming that Vanya is comparable to AF+1:

It's like arguing with a brick wall. Nothing you are saying means Vanya is bad, or that nobody should ever use it.

In comparison with AF2/Allagan, Vanya can have:
-9 MND
-9 VIT
-2 Spell Speed
+20 Determination
+24 Critical Hit Rate

Not exactly unequivocally better, but no where near "useless", "senseless", or a "bad choice". You don't seem to understand that you aren't locked in a single type of gear... I'd love to give you a some examples where obtaining HQ Vanya would not only be the right choice, but it would be the BEST choice but I'm afraid the sentiment will bounce right off of your ignorance.

[Uveck]

Comparing i70 crafted to i90 non-crafted is a horrible basis for saying crafting is pointless. That's like saying apartments are pointless because three story mansions exist. Besides I don't think anyone is seriously trying to argue that i70 crafted is better than i90. Please post examples of this nonsense because I'd like to see it for a laugh myself.

Comparing the gear isn't pointless because it shows how little crafting means in this game as it currently stands. Why craft when the max craft is ilvl 70 when the max gear in the game is ilvl 90. "To run the dungeons until you get your gear." Oh really because I thought darklight armor will do that just fine and it doesn't cost 3000+ tomes to craft a pair of pants for my scholar. (2 vanya silk and 1 hard hippogryph leather) Utter waste of time. Also any of you alchemists making hi-elixers with the 9 sulfur it takes for one use? Great crafting planning SE.

[Mishaela]

Comparing the gear isn't pointless because it shows how little crafting means in this game as it currently stands. Why craft when the max craft is ilvl 70 when the max gear in the game is ilvl 90. "To run the dungeons until you get your gear." Oh really because I thought darklight armor will do that just fine and it doesn't cost 3000+ tomes to craft a pair of pants for my scholar. (2 vanya silk and 1 hard hippogryph leather) Utter waste of time.

Why craft?
1) Simple numbers; HQ melded i70 is better than DL and you will need a good i60/i70 mix to even get i90 (besides AF2) in the first place and to some people that (admitedly) minor difference in stats is worth the effort.
2) Pimp factor; some may prefer the look of crafted gear over DL, plus they can be dyed.
3) Enjoyment of crafting system in general and of making your own gear by hand in particular.
4) Speed at which you can possibly gear up via crafting gear vs grinding tomestones to buy DL (see below).
5) Achievements for crafters looking to check off their crafting logs.

Sure, darklight will get the job done. I'm not saying it won't. Maybe it's a waste of time for you. That's fine. I'm OK with the 9x materials and I'll be enjoying my four pieces of multi-melded HQ gryphonskin set as I tackle Titan and Coil on my MNK. I, too, am annoyed about the recipes that require more than 9 token-bought materials, but I'll just use DL for those slots, because as you say they get the job done.

Here's the other thing that's good about i70 crafted vs darklight that people ignore or don't know about: It doesn't soulbind. With a mixture of buying and borrowing, I could gear up an alt job in a matter of minutes if I wanted to spend a bit of money. And when I replace my MNK's i70 with something better, I have some great entry-level gear to sell or lend if I needed to.

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//EDIT: Mishaela, refer to this guy claiming that Vanya is comparable to AF+1:

Heh, good find. I think he is understating the importance of primary stats but his point that if you have quint-melded HQ i70 then going to i90 is less of an upgrade than it is going from darklight to i90 is valid. Just like if you have HQ multi-melded i55 accessories (like imperial operative wristlets) then you can probably skip darklight on those slot,s too.

[Darlantan]

Wrong.

I got my alchemist from 32 to 50 is 7 hours.

I don't think it's even POSSIBLE to do so as fast on a DoW/M, even by spamming fates at the fastest rate possible.

Did you do that with leves? Because I managed to get 33-42 in an hr or so with leves. But I pretty much used about almost 30 leves or something close to that number.

[Ksenia]

I will give them time to work on it but right now, crafting is being done for the sake of leveling something. Nothing we craft is needed in this game and it isn't replacement content for variant play style because it all requires the same dungeons to be farmed.

[Griffster]

Wrong.

I got my alchemist from 32 to 50 is 7 hours.

I don't think it's even POSSIBLE to do so as fast on a DoW/M, even by spamming fates at the fastest rate possible.

How? /10char

[Vyniea]

Did you do that with leves? Because I managed to get 33-42 in an hr or so with leves. But I pretty much used about almost 30 leves or something close to that number.

How? /10char

Turning HQ items for triple turn in leves.

Around 210kxp per Allowance for the level 35 ones, 300k xp at level 40, 360k at level 45.