Just when I thought DF couldn't get any worse...

[LondonKeyes]

I saw this in Halatali, healer said they were looking only for hunting log - Firemane, once it was dead they bounced. I couldn't help but laugh.

[Makeda]

You had a limited experience in WoW, thus you find this the worst you've ever seen.

I've been in WoW since 2006. A healer for the first year, then a tank for the rest with healing as my 'alt option'.

I've seen MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than this. And usually 2 to 3 times a week when I'm active over there. And that's coming as a tank - where I have control over the dungeon and queues. I'm sure the DPS over there have even more horror stories than me.

This sadly, will only continue.

The game has an LFD / Duty Finder tool. I saw a video before buying where the devs said "We love the duty finder tool as it lets anyone play together, and our community are nicer people so it won't have issues" and I thought to myself... "you guys are thinking very wishfully there..."


Unless they bring in account-based accountability: blacklist by account, and a publicly viewable record of how many times someone has been blacklisted... plus and ability to 'not DF queue with anyone who has X more blacklistings than me'... The issue will not resolve.


What I would do as a developer:

1: Blacklist works by account across server.
2: To blacklist someone requires entering 50 to 150 characters of why, or it won't black list them. The entry will not accept names of people.
3: Lodestone shows all your blacklistings, and the reasons, but not who did it.
4: Lodestone shows a list of all blacklistings you have put on people, and what you put in why, but not who.
5: DF won't queue you with someone you blacklisted. Option, default on.
6: DF won't queue you with someone who has blacklisted you. NOT optional.
7: DF won't queue you with someone who has 20 more or 20 less blacklistings than you. Option, default on.
8: DF won't queue you with someone who had blacklisted 50 more people than you have blacklisted. Option, default on.
9: If you put a name into your 'why' for blacklisting (such as through special characters), people can report this, and if found to be the case, you'd get a 7-day account suspension followed by a 30-day block from using DF.

- Accountability, or DF will ruin the community.

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[Stormrider]

Makeda is right. The whole dungeon finder allowed the trolls/jerks to come out of the woodwork. When you can only group on a server it only takes a few bad runs and a few threads to warn people about you. The community of MMO's is self policing for behavior. That person from the original post would probably never pull that trick because he would know he would never see another group after he had been shamed on multiple sites.

[Kurosawa]

The biggest trouble is that DDs are a dime a dozen, but healers and tanks, not so much. Because of this, people will queue as a healer or tank just to get a duty in shorter time so they can get what they want and split. Happened a couple of times with some folks. It's annoying and completely sours the vibe of the community. There's nothing wrong with gunning for a specific piece of gear or item, but at least see the quest through to the finish. You have to consider that there are others in there with you.

And also, for the speed-running, cutscene complainers, you SHOULD run with a preset group. Think about it: you want a reliable speed-run through the dungeon, which means you're going to want a setup that can best deliver that. Grouping with random people will likely not give you that. In that regard, DF is a bad option for a speed-run. Find a static team and smash CM or AK for your tomestones/loot. You get your speed-run, others get their immersion, everybody wins.

[Iskander]

We need a system to deter this mindless douchery right? Hold on while a borrow a bunch of things and make them awesome.

Ahem

Presenting the new FFXIV AR Indictment system (yes I borrowed Darks Souls indictment system since it gave me a great idea).

What is this Mr. Iskander?

In short, Its a system thatll deter douchery in instances through threat of notoriety and long queue times.

How it works:

Lets say you go into an instance and you come across a tank like the one the OP had. When he leaves, a message pops up for the other 3 players. It'll say "Indict (player)?" If you say yes, the player gets an indictment point on his character. For each indictment point (up to 4), the wait for next queue increases by 15 min. SO now that guy has to wait 30 min to DF again. If they have 4+, they get a 60 min cooldown for each time they get indicted. If one person clicks that yes button, you get an indictment point.

"But then they'll just afk..."

Yep, which is why there's a nice little function where if you select a party member, you can choose to start a vote to kick and indict that afker. But wait, there's more! it can only be done in random queues, and it has to be a majority vote (3/4 or 5/8). You want to go with a couple people or a full premade? That's Fine. But you can't start a vote on each other.

But that's not all! Those who are tagged with First Timer Syndrome in instances are immune from kick indictment. No worrying about being in trouble for watching your cutscenes. However, you only get one reprieve from this. Firsties are subject to leave indictment and if they are, they lose their kick indictment immunity.

But we haven't finished yet! Let's add a nice board in the main cities that allows players to see who's wracked up the most indictment points. The douchers from around the servers can have their names shown around the cities for players to know who's been the biggest griefer in the game.

We can have these points reset once per week.

SE wants to put in an MVP system.

Well how about having each MVP vote up knock off one indictment point. You don't want your name on the board? Start helping people.

[Ruethryl]

I suspect the local server party finder/matcher that they're talking about for 2.1 or 2.2 will deal with this somewhat.. the desperate will use DF, the rest will use party matcher and good luck being a douche if you go that route.

[EmeraldSerenade]

SNIP

That sounds worse than what we already have

[Avengedangel]

I would say you definitely can get reported for that. Not only is he subverting the purpose of DF and screwing over an entire group (which, if he has done it more than once, could be construed as griefing), he's also exploiting by running past the mobs to get a chest that he is actually required to kill said mobs for. And again- all at the expense of his group.

This is the picture perfect example of something a person can, and should, be reported for.

I reported a troll for something like this the other day, two at that. The response I got was that "there isn't a rule or policy that regards actions player must take to fulfill the role of their job/class." Basically saying there's nothing they can do about it. True that they should be able to be reported for it, but if SE says they can't do a thing about it, what can you do? :/

[Itseotle]

SO I know there are good people out there that use DF.But I guess we're a minority? I dunno.

Don;t be discouraged OP. I just got out of a DF ran Garuda Hard Mode that lasted almost 90 minutes! We had a new tank and we all banded as a group, with encouragement, each attempt getting us closer and closer to victory until we finally downed her. Sure it took 90 minutes, but this is a game and I was having fun because of the great people who qued with me. Grats to the SCH who got his book :P

[Zyeriis]

Yes, because it's only your first time ONCE. After that if you queue again, it's either for gear or tomestones. So the majority of players are there for a repeat of the dungeon. Eventually there will be very few people doing it for the first time. It's just logic. Unless there's a mass influx of new players, the majority of players will always be on repeat runs.

You've got a really backward ass way of looking at things. That's a logical fallacy. You put the counter-argument right in that post. "because it's only your fire time ONCE". Which is exactly why anyone claiming duty finder is for speedruns is a moron and that they should group up on their own server with a group of first-timers is ridiculously illogical. Eventually, there will be very few people doing it for the first time, even less on one's own server (with no world chat either). Making a group without duty finder (for first timers) will eventually be impossible.

I have no problem with people who want to watch cutscenes since it's their first time. However, fail to get along and start going to one extreme or the other and be an asshole during a Praetorium run and you'll find yourself short a tank for the last 5 bosses. Be an asshole about either watching the cutscenes or be an asshole about other people watching them, either way you're still an asshole and I don't have time for that.