Just when I thought DF couldn't get any worse...

[JayCommon]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Duty finder is a random group finder where the majority of the time people want to do speed runs. If you want to enjoy the story, either a)do it with friends so you don't have to annoy the DF groups, or b)watch the cutscenes in your Inn room.

This is probably the best instance I have seen thus far, of stupidity and self-righteousness in the same sentence. It kind of made me giggle.

Did you just use the word random, and then pair it with the term "majority of the time"?

For one, how exactly do you know wtf most people want to do? You don't, so stop assuming it makes you sound even more idiotic. RANDOM people use the duty finder, so their goals in usage of said finder are also just as random. If YOU jump into a system that pairs you with random people, do not walk in all high and mighty and think you are going to change the way people play because YOU don't agree with it. YOU are a great example of the reason regular people who try and enjoy games get perturbed with their experience and decide to ruin it for many others.

It goes both ways pal. If YOU want to do your precious speed runs, than YOU do them with YOUR friends and stop ruining the game's story experience for others who are trying to follow along. Oh, haha, that is assuming you have friends. Sorry, I won't be like you and just assume your way is right and all others are inferior.

"The people who sit and make an entire group wait because they have to watch that cutscene" are people that are gaining more out of the experience than a f&^*$% tomestone. I watch a cutscene once, than I skip it any other time I do the dungeon. You won't catch me bitching at anyone who wants to immerse into the story, even though I skipped it. If you don't like it, stop using the DF. Arrogant responses like the one you made will turn people into trolls, trust that.

Sure glad I don't have to duty find with you. Thanks for making different groups SE!!!

[faris]

Duty finder is a random group finder where the majority of the time people want to do speed runs. If you want to enjoy the story, either a)do it with friends so you don't have to annoy the DF groups, or b)watch the cutscenes in your Inn room.

Or, you know, you could do your precious endgame in a non-storyline dungeon. S'the matter? Scared of AK? A lot of the people running CM and Prae are people which're in for completing the main scenario- and they have every right to watch the cutscenes without being whined at and having their experience ruined by jerks like you, especially considering they're paying exactly the same per month as you, and the dungeons can be cleared with time to spare for cutscenes and strategy. Stop ruining it for them - or better yet - take your own advice. Do speedruns with your friends.

[Fyrebrand]

I believe there's a need for a world-wide shitlist, and soon.

I understand the desire for it, but I just don't see that being helpful. Square Enix themselves would never in a million years support anything like that, so it would have to be some "trusted" unofficial, off-site sub-group. It would undoubtedly degenerate into a "he said, she said" witch-hunt where people just make up stories and rumours. There would be false accusations, photoshopped "screen shots" or "chat logs" submitted just to troll innocent people, and even the truly guilty ones who deserve to be there would deny any such things took place. In the end, all you'd have are thousands of strangers arguing over things that may or may not have happened.

cross server blacklist is needed to filter out idiots.

I was surprised to find out this wasn't possible. Until today, I assumed there was some method of doing it through the Lodestone, at least. Nope! :-(
I agree that a cross-server blacklist would be valuable, though it is still a band-aid solution and not a replacement for filing a report to a GM. Assuming it would prevent you from matching with that player again in DF, it's not like you would suddenly get priority in the dungeon queue over them. The victim is basically the one taking the hit, potentially delaying their own queue as more and more names get added to the list.

I see quite a few people (in this post and others) that say "They will be gone soon" and I'm wondering why people think that is? Is it to be expected that a lot of the more negative people will leave once the free time is over? Or is it something else?

There's no way to know what people will do. It kind of makes sense that some might leave after their free time is up, but money has never been an obstacle for people who want to be jerks. It sounds like all the trolls seem to be hovering around endgame content already, though. I'd wager it's more likely they will leave after the first month purely out of boredom. They're probably here because this is the new, shiny MMO. They'll have their fun, and then be off to the new GTA or Call of Duty.

I didn't believe the DF naysayers when they first predicted the introduction of DF would ruin the community. Well, it has.

You make it sound like they weren't going to be jerks and trolls, if not for Duty Finder. We all know that's not true. These people are going to be out there, with or without DF. Granted, the problem has been exacerbated because it forces us to interact with these idiots on a regular basis, and the devs seemingly just released Duty Finder "as is," without any sort of safeguards or countermeasures. In my opinion, it was a little irresponsible to set up this lawless, Wild West style frontier and not include even so much as a Vote to Kick option, a more robust player reporting system, or a cross-server blacklist of any kind.
As improvements get patched in, and the novelty of trolling dungeons just for the heck of it wears off, we will see less and less of this problem.

1) Do not allow chest opening until certain mobs are killed
2) Award end of dungeon loot (tomes) only to people that actually participate in all bosses (from the participants point of entry, in case they join mid-dungeon)
3) Boss chest loot only lottable by participants in the boss battle

1) Agreed. Why could someone open a chest while in combat, anyway? That seems wrong.
2&3) Agreed, though they have to make sure players can't get locked out of boss rooms if other party members charge ahead without them. I understand being locked in the room, but locked out? What is the point of that?

How is OP supposed to know which server that player originated from?

Don't need to, really. Include the time/date, and which dungeon it was, and I assume the GMs can easily tell who they were partied with.

[skaaz]

I believe there's a need for a world-wide shitlist, and soon.

I think there should be a list on the forums with names and what server. Apparently they need the attention we just as we'll give it to them.

[Leiloni]

Did you just use the word random, and then pair it with the term "majority of the time"?

Yes, because it's only your first time ONCE. After that if you queue again, it's either for gear or tomestones. So the majority of players are there for a repeat of the dungeon. Eventually there will be very few people doing it for the first time. It's just logic. Unless there's a mass influx of new players, the majority of players will always be on repeat runs.

[Avalon_Albrook]

Yes, because it's only your first time ONCE. After that if you queue again, it's either for gear or tomestones. So the majority of players are there for a repeat of the dungeon. Eventually there will be very few people doing it for the first time. It's just logic. Unless there's a mass influx of new players, the majority of players will always be on repeat runs.

I have never requeued for a run I've done before for the gear and for the tomestones. I've done it because (1) I want to pay it forward and help out others who are running for the first time, and (2) because I enjoyed the dungeon/primal fight in the first place and want to do it again.

Thank you for trying to speak for everyone, which includes me. Please stop.

[Leiloni]

I have never requeued for a run I've done before for the gear and for the tomestones. I've done it because (1) I want to pay it forward and help out others who are running for the first time, and (2) because I enjoyed the dungeon/primal fight in the first place and want to do it again.

Thank you for trying to speak for everyone, which includes me. Please stop.

I'm talking about farming for gear at level 50 and in order to do that you need to farm mass amounts of tomestones, which means at level 50 people farm the same few dungeons over and over. Not leveling dungeons.

[faris]

I'm talking about farming for gear at level 50 and in order to do that you need to farm mass amounts of tomestones. Not leveling dungeons.

Who the hell farms gear in CM/Prae?

[Leiloni]

Who the hell farms gear in CM/Prae?

CM earns you 100 Tomestones and is the fastest and easiest way to do so, especially with the speed run nerf to AK. The large majority people I run across both in DF and in /shout chat (as well as my entire guild), are farming CM for their tomestones. In case you forgot, Tomestones of Philosophy earn you Darklight gear which is the first set you'll want to earn after hitting 50.

[JayCommon]

Yes, because it's only your first time ONCE. snip .

You are missing the entire point. You have no right whatsoever to tell people to stop watching cutscenes, whether it is their first time or their 100th time. They have the right to watch it as many times as they want, and if it pisses you off so bad then leave the CS watchers there, and see how far you make it into the dungeon alone. People playing this game alone have no choice but to use the duty finder. Not everyone is privileged enough to start this game from the beginning with other friends that are playing. That being said, if you are level 50 and farming tomestones for your end game gear, chances are you have met some people that you regularly group with along the way. If you haven't, it's possibly a product of this poor attitude you carry.


Either way, if people watching CS is such a burden to you, find a premade group and do your speed runs without the worry. But you telling people to stop watching the CS as they happen in the dungeon is only going to make them want to do it just to piss you off.