No real endgame raiding content in 2.1

[Daays]

It's sad sight to see when a game launched almost a decade ago had more end-game content out of the gate. I really don't understand SE's end game here.

SE put so much work into other instances/primals. Yet we only see them once.

They really need to rethink their entire design. From how the Dungeon finder works to making past instances and primals more than just a one time deal.

Running CM 50 times for DL gear, then running AK forever for Myth.
BC if you join a guild and have completed your relic and have full DL.

Even with the additions, I don't see them keeping up with RIFT in terms of PvE end game content

[Ixsiehn]

It's sad sight to see when a game launched almost a decade ago had more end-game content out of the gate. I really don't understand SE's end game here.

SE put so much work into other instances/primals. Yet we only see them once.

They really need to rethink their entire design. From how the Dungeon finder works to making past instances and primals more than just a one time deal.

Running CM 50 times for DL gear, then running AK forever for Myth.
BC if you join a guild and have completed your relic and have full DL.

Even with the additions, I don't see them keeping up with RIFT in terms of PvE end game content

When you hit 50 you will see the primals enough times to get sick of them. trust me.

[Gramul]

Nimrod, your name fits the title and content of this thread very well.

Noah's great grandson and mighty hunter before God? Ruler of Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh. Architect of the Tower of Babel?
I don't see how that's related.

Bugs Bunny was the first one to use this as an insult. He was mocking Elmer's hunting ability in the same way one would call a really stupid person "Einstein".

[Alhanelem]

Yoshi-P stated it will be made for duty finder and "not that hard" in a live interview.

to me, what he said meant was between AK and coil. Coil is certainly not easy. if any of the battles in TCT require any real coordnation, you're not going to see lots of wins in the duty finder.

[Joypad]

SE put so much work into other instances/primals. Yet we only see them once.

Three times and that's if you're lucky with your drops.

[3Jane]

You forgot to put in there "In my opinion there is no real endgame raiding content in 2.1"

Oh dear me no, did someone voice their opinion without first stating the obvious that they were speaking for them selves. You really need that sad little sop do you.

[Churchill]

The Primals would have had more life expectancy if getting a Relic weapon wasn't so easy.

In 1.0, it took a lot of effort both in time and gil to get a Relic, on top of that it was all group content and was 'arguably' difficult - Ifrit Extreme was the same kind of learning experience that Titan Hard is (though I personally liked Ifrit Extreme better because of the diversity in what could happen during the fight and what needed to happen during the fight).

In order to do Ifrit Extreme, you had to farm gear and get melds, get Darklight. You HAD to farm Garuda to get the necessary DPS to take the nails down. This made Garuda relevant and a necessity to farm.

In 2.0, you can do a relic in 1.5 hours sans tokens. There's really no reason to farm the primals, they are DoA.

Add on to this that it is extremely time consuming to properly gear multiple classes (in a game whose niche is playing all classes on one character) it is very discouraging to play classes that aren't alike (WAR+PLD, LNC+MNK-BRD, BLM+SMN, WHM+SCH)

With the ease of Coil pre-Turn 5, I wouldn't have a lot of hope that Crystal Tower will be particularly difficult. Twintania is only difficult because of gear and will become much less difficult for groups attempting her as more people in each group get iLv90 gear. We are making solid progress and the only people with any Allagan/AF+1 are our healer and BLM. I have a shield and curtana+1 but certainly not enough HP to comfortably survive every time. That changes with 300 more HP, easy.

Will Extreme mode Primals also be DoA? It depends entirely on what they drop and what their completion is relevant to. If they drop more weapons then they aren't really of much help to anyone because damage isn't an issue (now) in Coil.

[TaruPower]

Part of the issue is that they made leveling too quick and easy. You can absolutely -fly- to the higher levels practically solo, and infact many of the story quests require you not to have a party. I understand they want a more casual easy going audience than they had with FFXI, but making it this quick means that people get to the endgame context much much faster. Therefore, they expect the endgame content to be plentiful. There is a -lot- of midgame content in this game, but you don't really spend any time with it because you don't have to.

If Square didn't want to be pushed to make endgame content faster than they shouldn't of made it so easy to get too that content. Or maybe i'm just bitter we still have no Red Mage.

[razzgrizz3]

i played this casualy. i have already seen most of the content and with over 2 more weeks of trial time remaining im guessing i am gonna see the rest too. why i would subscribe just to grind the other classes on fates and dungeons i have already done many many times, i dont know it makes no sense to me. perhaps it does to you. if so. fair enough

now if op's post is all true this does raise many questions in my head how se sees this game succeeding. i would really love to ask this questio of yoshi.

in the end though maybe this shows just how broken the clasic mmo model truly is. they just cannot make the content fast enough. especialy se. they love anouncing things. they just dont want to actualy make them. ff15 vaporware i am looking at u.

[Jinko]

Will Extreme mode Primals also be DoA? It depends entirely on what they drop and what their completion is relevant to. If they drop more weapons then they aren't really of much help to anyone because damage isn't an issue (now) in Coil.

They mentioned that they have primal armour in the works, I wouldn't be surprised to see that dropping from the exterme versions.