Please buff Succor.

[ApolloGenX]

This right here is the biggest indication you don't know what you're talking about.

I was just saying the opposite of what he said to prove a point. >.>

There is a SCH that knows what he is talking about and knows how to play the class that has posted how well they do. Maybe you should PM him to get pointers if you are having trouble.

If you find that you are so much more effective on a whm, play that. It might mean the SCH style is not suited for you.

[sharazisspecial]

150 potency shield so strong

That 250-300 damage shield really makes up for the 550 potency whm was has over sch.

one cast of of medica 2 from 2 whms is enough to full heal a dps from low hp 700+700 potency

to match 700 potency a sch must cast succor 4 times + 1 time to pre shield

[fanservice]

I was just saying the opposite of what he said to prove a point. >.>

There is a SCH that knows what he is talking about and knows how to play the class that has posted how well they do. Maybe you should PM him to get pointers if you are having trouble.

If you find that you are so much more effective on a whm, play that. It might mean the SCH style is not suited for you.

Wrong. Sch can precast and have shields eat dmg, while a whm has to spend cast time AFTER damage on medica 2, gets partial healing and the regen has to tick out to get the rest of the healing. Meanwhile, the SCH is casting Succor 2, has already had shields that absorbed and now gets healing plus instant shielding on incoming damage for full.

You're telling me to learn to play when you think SCH have Succor 2? What the hell is wrong with you?

[kronpas]

You obviously don't know what pre-emptive or mitigation is...HoTs are neither. A clear case of someone who cares nothing of balance and just wants to be OP because it's the only way they can get into groups. Yes- please go get those "easy coil wins" stacking whms. Tell us all about it.

You cant compare SCH shield to WOW"s disc priest's. To make up for its lack of AoE healing power, the shield must be way stronger. To mid-Catac when I still played, disc priest were borderline OP in 25m and blatantly OP in 10m because it had 2 shields, one produced when its heals critted, stackable, and the another was instant cast leaving a debuff on its target to prevent spamming. And that shield enjoyed almost 90% spell coeff (among the highest instant cast coeff) to boot. On the other hand, SCH shield is halved in power since it hasto share potency with a heal and requires cast time to produce, the effect is almost negligible. No need to visit coil, you can try "pre-shield" on Titan to see how much difference it brings. First hand experience is always better than quoting on "other known SCH in other threads" to defend your argument. One thing I love in this game is that you dont even have to grind gear to play both classes at the same time, so for once the "play as one yourself to see if it is true" actually is valid.

The only scenario I can think of where succor is equal to medica 2 i when there is constant AoE on raid that medica2 ticks, with its 100 potency and 3s/tick cant cope with, that requires both healers to expend their mana bar. Even so, a WHM can simply Medica 2 then spam medica 1 away.

Most SCHs that enjoy SCH healing at the moment is telling how awesome their faires are and how they can micro manage them to maximum efficiency. None mentions the miserable AoE shield called Succor. Pre-empitive AoE shielding simply doesnt exist at this state of the game, dont quote on it any more please :\

Adol is actually decent though.

[sharazisspecial]

Hey please respond to this

whm cast medica 2 once for 700 potency

Sch pre- casts succor for 150 potency shield then needs to cast it 4 more times after aoe to reach 700 potency of medica2

who has more time to heal the tank/others?

the whm who spends 2.5 sec casting for 200+500 potency hp healed in 15 seconds

or the sch who spends 12.5 sec casting for 750 potency hp healed with a temporary 150 shield left over.
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I won't even mention the mana cost of 5 succors.
A whm could even cast a medice after the medica 2 to reach 1000 hp potency healed for 5 seconds of casting time

[kronpas]

to be fair, we need to wait until SE fix the fairy to see how it fares. I heard that obey stance requires actual target to work even though the fairy cant attack, if you can try it in game to see if it works (cant even remember fey dust or w/e it is called cooldown).

[sharazisspecial]

obey doesn't stop the faerie from wasting whispering wind the first chance it can get. Faerie fixes may come in 2.1 but not been announced yet.

[Eriane]

I won't argue the scholar issues as i don't have my scholar yet, and i'm debating playing one.

But in regards to bringing one scholar and white mage v. two white mages, don't scholars bring other things to the table? I thought they had a mini heroism plus damage reduction, virus etc. Not to mention safer healing as a good scholar apparently can't run out of mana.

Also has anyone tried crit builds? Does the double shield from crits apply to your aoe?

[sharazisspecial]

You cant really gear for crit atm. You need 16 crit rating for 1% including your base at most you will up with 36crit with full af+1/allagan gear which is not enough for reliable crit build.
Sch starts to mana problems in demanding content because they need to lustrate/soil and cast more spells to make up for their lack of potency.
selene provides 0.1 sec spell/gcd reduction on 50% uptime. Its no heroism. Lol. If sch had non stacking heroism strength spell then they would have a support healer role and a place.

[Eriane]

You cant really gear for crit atm. You need 16 crit for 1% including your base at most you will up with 36crit which is not enough for reliable crits.
Sch starts to mana problems in demanding content because they need to lustrate and cast more spells to make up for their lack of potency.

Fair enough on the crit. There really isn't enough room for gear customization.

If Scholars have mana issues.... how do white mages survive? Stack bards?

And i realized i referred to something with a WOW term. By heroism i mean a speed buff. I think its a fairy skill that affects the entire party? I suspect if scholars are underpowered in aoe healing its due to other skills. Are the dmg reduction and haste worth possibly losing for increased aoe healing?

Last question, how many scholar issues would realistically be fixed by not having a broken pet. Right now that is the biggest deterent for me personally to lvling a scholar.