Please buff Succor.

[Valiant]

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maybe its worded wrong or SE f'd up the faerie but she doesn't give as much speed as labeled(and the pet ai is also broken)... and for the record the effect of regen and medica 2 regen the potency is per tick not overall and that makes a huge difference compared to an unstackable shield... That was something I actually tried myself. Would you rather have a 500 hp shield or multiple regens that can cure for 4 times that easily... that's the issue with sch.. and any good whm worth their salt would know how to manage their mana. all i have to say is... remember van darnus? i never ran out of mp in that fight.. though mp refresh isn't the same as 1.0 you can always wait out a few mins for mana to be restored especially if only the tank needs healing and is above 75% and all mana restore in on CD

[Valiant]

So, the answer is to homogenize and just give WHM abilities to SCH? Hilarious. (Should they delete WHM class while they are at it?) There would be a trade off.. say good bye to your fairy and sacred soil. Also, expect it to take a chunk of Etherflow stacks. so you can't spam it without limits, since mana isn't an issue.

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SCH is far from OP... SCH can't bring up a group like WHM and its pointless to keep spamming succur... shields don't stack and 150 potency doesn't equal to alot.. either make a seperate spell as succor 2 or allow extra healing when aldo is active (since both shields from both spells are labeled aldo) besides i can't ever see 1 WHM and 1 SCH ever being as efficient as 2 WHMs... SCH is nothing more than a RED MAGEs equivalent in healing atm especially with the horrible AI for faerie.

[fanservice]

And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period.

Yet WHMx2 does, and is at least on even terms of effectiveness as SCH+WHM.

You can't omit a WHM from anything challenging, yet you don't need a SCH at all. People progress in coil of bahamut without SCHs. That is imbalance. Having a SCH over a WHM as is does not make or break a fight, while the opposite isn't true. Those people know it, and people like you gloss over that fact as if it's not there.

If I could make a graph of what this looks like, it would show generally poorer results with fewer WHM's and more SCH's. More accurately, a sharp decline in results on the SCH+SCH side, while it more or less plateaus at WHM+SCH/WHMx2. What was the magic variable that caused the change for the better? Combination of presence of WHM's, and less SCH's. What boggles the mind is posters like you avoid stating this half of the truth like it's a taboo (though it obvious you just want to further your own argument doing this. Don't feign your ignorance. If you know what sucks, you should know what works considering you're a healer too, so you're not BS'ing anyone).



I also hate to have to bring this up, but why is it whenever I see a comment like this it's from a lvl50 CNJ? I mean I already know why, but your bias manifests in such a shitty argument full of holes that anyone could refute in 5 minutes that I'd be ashamed to post what you said myself, and so should you. More accurately, what you did is omit the fact that WHMx2 is fine, while saying SCHx2 should never happen, implying this double standard is your ideal of balance. The remainder of your post is also wrong because, like I said earlier, people do titan+coil without SCH's. This is why this post is garbage.

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Yet WHMx2 does, and is at least on even terms of effectiveness as SCH+WHM.

You can't omit a WHM from anything challenging, yet you don't need a SCH at all. People progress in coil of bahamut without SCHs. That is imbalance. Having a SCH over a WHM as is does not make or break a fight, while the opposite isn't true. Those people know it, and people like you gloss over that fact as if it's not there.



I also hate to have to bring this up, but why is it whenever I see a comment like this it's from a lvl50 CNJ? I mean I already know why, but your bias manifests in such a shitty argument full of holes that anyone could refute in 5 minutes that I'd be ashamed to post what you said myself, and so should you.

it is an imbalace that proves SCH has yet to be ironed out properly

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For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick. Now SCH shield. Unstackable, 390 therefore a 390 shield. 605 crit therefore a 1210 shield. Tell me how an unstackable shield is better than stackable regens. I'm curious. From what I see even one WHM with both regens on a target gets in far more health than one shield prevents, especially since SCHs don't crit as much as they should. For numbers purposes... 200 succor so 200 aldo shield and 300 crit for 600 shield. The mitigation isn't high enough to warrent use of a SCH over 2 WHMs. Simply put, nurf the ability to stack regens, fix faerie AI so I dont have to stop my casting to cast Embrace, widen the range of Sacred Soil, and I'll call SCH on par with WHM. This will also force WHM and SCH in endgame more than using SCH when you can't find a second WHM.

[Enticed]

I do agree that compared to WHM our AoE healing is rather miserable.

However:
1.) In dungeons you've only got to keep up 3 people, excluding yourself.
2.) You'll most likely end up healing with a WHM if you raid.

wich at the end means, Medica II + Succor = Win.
Scholars ain't a pure healing job compared to WHM, we're more like an uttility healing job, we prevent damage.
Also, we get our big bubble wich also prevents 10% damage, our fairy has got an AoE magic reduction.

For the time being I don't think any of our skills really need an update or "fix".
If anything needs attention from SE it's the Pet AI and how we can get the best out of our Fairy - right now it's complete dips*it.

Edit: I would like to add that it would be very nice though if we could stack our shields. It would be a better "upgrade"/"fix" than having the healing increased.

[ApolloGenX]

For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick..

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly. Because you are not including the hps/second when you are including a rather large amount of setup/cast time on 8 regens. Have a scholar casting succor during that whole time... THEN do the "math".

Or is this just "on paper" talk?

[Valiant]

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly.

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch. Solely do to the health restored from regens assuming both medica 2 is popped off plus atleast one regen, and 2 regens after a heavy hit since regen alone heals for more than 1 cure1.

[ApolloGenX]

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch.

Okay, so the assumption is that you heal with a medica... and then go around regenning multiple dps... because? Why? You assume the regens will just tick instead of be sniped? So, after massive damage, it makes sense to use single target regens on multiple targets instead of a couple quick group heals? Seems to me like a waste of GCDs...past 2 or 3 people, you have left others at low health for a while... so it sounds like you might need to pre-hot before the damage spike... and that requires rolling regen.

What fights do you just spend your time spamming regen on all your raid mates and then (if it hasn't expired by target number 8) casting medica 2? I would like to know?

Please prove this "math" with a use case. I keep hearing "Regen" tossed around with "group heals"... please explain when and where you use regen (not the medica 2 regen) as a group heal.

[Valiant]

Okay,

Please prove this "math" with a use case.

with 2 whms.. why not... did it that way in 1.0 with van darnus... regen kept people alive quite well due to tick potency.. 2.0 is no different medica 2 plus regen even from 1 whm is better than 1 aldo shield. and i already gave you the math from my sch and whm... my own medica2 + regen heals for more than aldo prevents. til that is nerfed or sch shields can stack 2 whms will always be more viable then whm sch