Please buff Succor.

[Valiant]

For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick. Now SCH shield. Unstackable, 390 therefore a 390 shield. 605 crit therefore a 1210 shield. Tell me how an unstackable shield is better than stackable regens. I'm curious. From what I see even one WHM with both regens on a target gets in far more health than one shield prevents, especially since SCHs don't crit as much as they should. For numbers purposes... 200 succor so 200 aldo shield and 300 crit for 600 shield. The mitigation isn't high enough to warrent use of a SCH over 2 WHMs. Simply put, nurf the ability to stack regens, fix faerie AI so I dont have to stop my casting to cast Embrace, widen the range of Sacred Soil, and I'll call SCH on par with WHM. This will also force WHM and SCH in endgame more than using SCH when you can't find a second WHM.

[ApolloGenX]

For the record with current gear set up, as WHM i get atleast 170 per tick for medica II, and 260 per tick for regen. Now double that with a second WHM. Per tick minimum would be about 860 per tick..

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly. Because you are not including the hps/second when you are including a rather large amount of setup/cast time on 8 regens. Have a scholar casting succor during that whole time... THEN do the "math".

Or is this just "on paper" talk?

[Valiant]

That's great for a tank- unless you are actually suggesting whms are rolling regen on the entire raid group... in which case time and mana would be issues- especially for spike damage..taking the time in the middle of a fight to try to recast regen on the entire raid... with two whms... well.. you are better off GCD wise just spamming medica...

Is that what you are implying? That WHMs are rolling regens on the entire raid through entire fights? I just want to make sure I understand the "math" correctly.

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch. Solely do to the health restored from regens assuming both medica 2 is popped off plus atleast one regen, and 2 regens after a heavy hit since regen alone heals for more than 1 cure1.

[ApolloGenX]

Being that most fights are aoe heavy and if you have idiot dd, then yes it is more viable with 2 whms for better survivability than whm + sch.

Okay, so the assumption is that you heal with a medica... and then go around regenning multiple dps... because? Why? You assume the regens will just tick instead of be sniped? So, after massive damage, it makes sense to use single target regens on multiple targets instead of a couple quick group heals? Seems to me like a waste of GCDs...past 2 or 3 people, you have left others at low health for a while... so it sounds like you might need to pre-hot before the damage spike... and that requires rolling regen.

What fights do you just spend your time spamming regen on all your raid mates and then (if it hasn't expired by target number 8) casting medica 2? I would like to know?

Please prove this "math" with a use case. I keep hearing "Regen" tossed around with "group heals"... please explain when and where you use regen (not the medica 2 regen) as a group heal.

[Valiant]

Okay,

Please prove this "math" with a use case.

with 2 whms.. why not... did it that way in 1.0 with van darnus... regen kept people alive quite well due to tick potency.. 2.0 is no different medica 2 plus regen even from 1 whm is better than 1 aldo shield. and i already gave you the math from my sch and whm... my own medica2 + regen heals for more than aldo prevents. til that is nerfed or sch shields can stack 2 whms will always be more viable then whm sch

[Enticed]

I do agree that compared to WHM our AoE healing is rather miserable.

However:
1.) In dungeons you've only got to keep up 3 people, excluding yourself.
2.) You'll most likely end up healing with a WHM if you raid.

wich at the end means, Medica II + Succor = Win.
Scholars ain't a pure healing job compared to WHM, we're more like an uttility healing job, we prevent damage.
Also, we get our big bubble wich also prevents 10% damage, our fairy has got an AoE magic reduction.

For the time being I don't think any of our skills really need an update or "fix".
If anything needs attention from SE it's the Pet AI and how we can get the best out of our Fairy - right now it's complete dips*it.

Edit: I would like to add that it would be very nice though if we could stack our shields. It would be a better "upgrade"/"fix" than having the healing increased.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Get back on topic. My point is that Succor is a terrible spell. I know the WHM advocates of course want to see their hierarchy maintained because it benefits them to be NEEDED as opposed to optional (a luxury none of the DPS outside bards have).

It's just incredibly weak, and if you're going to make a bad AoE spell, just scrap it and give us more tools for what we are meant to be good at instead.

[Rover1983]

Id honestly take the WHMs aoe heal due to shear power it has over Succor any day and Im a Scholar. Succor needs some love big time. The weak heal + weak shield just doesnt do squat when mobs blow through the shield like its nothing which it quite literally is.

[kronpas]

WHM: "SCH is fine!". Its quite funny to see some SCHs in this thread also have 50WHM, while the most persistent WHM here is almost clueless about the class =\

[Eriane]

SE never said they wanted whm/whm or sch/sch in raids. They want both. I think the issue isn't that whm/whm is better i think sch/sch is poorly designed.

Problem is things like dungeon finder exist where its possible two scholars may come together and you can't change classes in raid. Not that i think df is the way to go if you want to clear content anyway but it exists.

I do think sch aoe could use a fix in the sense that after shielding it just overwrites, whether its one or two so that scholars don't synergize well. No class should end up stepping on the toes of another by game design.

I still think it wouldn't be game breaking for the same heal to do a % more direct healing if the shield buff is already on. Its not really a buff in potency but in effective healing.

That being said, if sch are given aoe healing on par with whm etc. I would expect to see their mana efficiency and threat management take a hit.