Amdapor Keep Changes Unfair

[PiedPiper]

It still strikes me as odd to think of speedrunning/sac pulling as an "eploit" when it was an explictly stated and demanded mechanic in 1.0 to get relic. Also, there was no indication of any mechanic not doing what it was intended to do. Players had to not preform actions to get on hate lists, the tank had to manage cool downs to ensure safe arrival. It required some minimal amount of teamwork and skill and even rewarded gear (the pull to the last boss in AK would be very hard in full af vs full hdl).

Regardless of if it was an exploit or not... As someone that is legacy and did finish a full dl job and relic before the change, I am very frustrated. Looking at my other jobs (and lets be honest, the grind in ffxiv isn't about gearing up ONE job, tis about gearing up EIGHT jobs), I realize that its about 6k tokens per job to get full dl and relic. Say I go full castrum (skipping AK all together and sacrifcing the mythic tokens, which i still need ps to gear up my pld further) and am able to do all 60 runs of the same uninteresting and unchallenging dungeon with my FC (to prevent derp), its still well over 35ish hours to gear a class to be ready to enter coil. By comparrison with skilled players, you can mint a relic in 6 hours or less (two of those spent waiting on the AK q and plodding through AK).

Pre-patch, ak was still 15ish minutes witha good group. So about 18.75 horus (assuming all 75 runs are 15 minutes) per class. This strikes me as ample "grind." More, there are the tanking, drg, mnk, brd, healing and blm sets. That's 112.5 hours of perfect runs to gear up all classes (less a few over lap relics).

Now withteh 35 hour point... that's 35 hours of castrum. To put that in perspective: Final Fantasy 3 ENTIRE CLEAR including all side quests isa bout 30-35 hours of content. So in the time I could play an entire FF, I am expected to repeat the same 1-2 dungones which are balanced for AF armor or weaker over and over ad nasuem.... and this is fun?

[Esmian]

I would literally not give a damn anymore about the AK patch if it didn't take 2 hours just to queue for the stupid dungeon. SE stop saying "we're going to add more duty finder servers" and just make it so more than one dungeon drops the stupid thing in a decent amount.

[Runoff]

120min in q sofar this evening for AK todays playtime all used waiting. - no progress tonight

[Subucnimorning]

Make CM, Prae, and WP drop comparable mytho and call it a day. The variety makes the grind
more enjoyable. I am almost to the point of saying I don't care about mythology because I don't want to do AK anymore and doing the others is a nice change of pace.

[magicninja999]

w/e, a lot of QQ not enough pew pew,

Ya its gonna be a grind, ya is gonna get boring and it gonna take a lot of time to get gear... SO WHAT! take a break, watch a movie, lvl another job, RUN SOMETHING ELSE TO CHANGE THE PACE! ffs people... and those of u comparing this game to WoW, are u high!? well new wow anyways, it is more like the old wow, pre Wrath.... pre patch 2.1 I believe, that was still TBC, right before they dumbed it all down...

anyways point is stop ur whining and play or dont play, no one cares. if u keep playing take a break from the grind so u don't go slam ur head in a car door

[Esmian]

Except the point people are making is you CAN'T run anything else. Amdapor Keep is the only dungeon you're able to run to get mythology tomestones. If I could run ANY other dungeon I would because that's by far the most boring lv 50 dungeon available.

[sasakusaku]

The change is expected, however, many people saying 'suck it up buttercup' more than likely took full advantage of this 'exploit' and thus have np with the changes. They are not punished for it neither. So now the gear gap widens between players who had the opportunity and the players who did not. That is only problem I have, pretty much: exploiters win, new 50s lose and face a staggering grind the exploiters managed to avoid before this was 'fixed'. Hardly seems fair? But w/e. I just hit 50 and never had the chance to gear up fast like everyone else. Oh well!

p.s. I am fine with having to do mind numbing CM runs but one thing to note, this run does not yield the top gear currency like AK so yet again those exploiters won big time since they got to earn a ton of those already. It seems I have terrible luck, every time there is an exploit (in any MMO) that devs do not punish for...I have missed the opportunity once again. /jealous!

[Kanzer]

the point is they made this grind 300-500% longer making it unfair to the people who just leveled or dont have a lot of time to play as it is

So? Cry more. It's the nature of things. You could have leveled quicker and took advantage of the AK speed runs just as easily as everyone else. Nothing was stopping you except yourself. There's nothing unfair about it.

p.s. I am fine with having to do mind numbing CM runs but one thing to note, this run does not yield the top gear currency like AK so yet again those exploiters won big time since they got to earn a ton of those already. It seems I have terrible luck, every time there is an exploit (in any MMO) that devs do not punish for...I have missed the opportunity once again. /jealous!

There's a cap on mythology, so no one is running around with tons of tokens. The biggest advantage on those anyone could possibly have is 300 since one of the maintenance's reset them. And that's IF they had already capped before hand.

[sasakusaku]

So? Cry more.

Wipe all gear exploiters earned abusing AK speed runs imo; then you will see the tears really flow.

But no, yet another game where exploiters win and then come to the forums to hurl insults around.

Nothing new, really.

There's a cap on mythology, so no one is running around with tons of tokens. The biggest advantage on those anyone could possibly have is 300 since one of the maintenance's reset them. And that's IF they had already capped before hand.

Far as I can tell, the exploiters are now a month ahead of new 50s in the gear grind. While new 50s have to grinds CM for weeks before stepping into AK; others got a free pass with 11 minute runs before the exploit was fixed. So you can under play it all you want, it's still an advantage...and a large one too.

[Linena_Faewind]

Why would they need to Grind CM for AK?