How will new players perceive this game? (A pessimistic outlook)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I haven played ffxi since feb 2011. But I recall alot of the side grab x item quests. For example.... The rarab hostel tarutaru needs you to grab a stone so she can use it as a pickling stone, to make her little tavers signature food rarab tails (a pickled onion). (no mini cs wasn't involed in this quest)

seciound (sp it beenm a while) needs to you to get him bat wings. The reason he needs them is he feels a darkness is coming and uses the wings to protect him.

I do not recall which tarutaru is which but the cornette tarutaru is doing research on the mandragora, an odd plantlife all over vanadiel. And pays you for items found on them to aide in his research.

Those are not epic stories, but stories about these people and their place in the world. Which is part of the lore of the world of vanadiel.


The sidequests in ffxiv also serve this purpose.

[Azurymber]

I haven played ffxi since feb 2011. But I recall alot of the side grab x item quests. For example.... The rarab hostel tarutaru needs you to grab a stone so she can use it as a pickling stone, to make her little tavers signature food rarab tails (a pickled onion). (no mini cs wasn't involed in this quest)

seciound (sp it beenm a while) needs to you to get him bat wings. The reason he needs them is he feels a darkness is coming and uses the wings to protect him.

I do not recall which tarutaru is which but the cornette tarutaru is doing research on the mandragora, an odd plantlife all over vanadiel. And pays you for items found on them to aide in his research.

Those are not epic stories, but stories about these people and their place in the world. Which is part of the lore of the world of vanadiel.


The sidequests in ffxiv also serve this purpose.

there were only a few of those compared to like 40+ story based quests in each city. And they had a purpose. fame generation. FFXI had a lot of "go here and pop an nm" quests, or "go pop a treasure chest" or "explore the world" or talk to all these diff npcs around the world. They almost all promoted exploration of the entire world with good interesting stories and character development.

This games quests have -no- purpose. It doesn't matter if they are good lore wise. they aren't what an average gamer wants. And thats the problem.

let me put it another way: everyone complained leves were too boring and repetitive and wanted quests.
These quests are leves.. just more drawn out. they even have less dialogue than most leves do.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

there were only a few of those compared to like 40+ story based quests in each city. And they had a purpose. fame generation. This games quests have -no- purpose. It doesn't matter if they are good lore wise. they aren't what an average gamer wants. And thats the problem.

You also get rewards when you complete the quests in this game and that serves a purpose.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

The only purpose a quest is to share a story, no matter how small. After that the player is rewarded for learning this story. I play tons of rmp and I learned to look at everything. I do not do things for sake of a reward, and that is the problem now. People only do things for sake of reward and could careless about anything else. You kinda just proved that by over looking the stories I shared with even simple fetch quests from ffxi.

[Azurymber]

The only purpose a quest is to share a story, no matter how small. After that the player is rewarded for learning this story. I play tons of rmp and I learned to look at everything. I do not do things for sake of a reward, and that is the problem now. People only do things for sake of reward and could careless about anything else. You kinda just proved that by over looking the stories I shared with even simple fetch quests from ffxi.

you just prooved my argument so we should drop this. This is a thread about how new players will percieve the game. not about if quests are good or bad. You just admitted people don't care about these quests. Which is -the problem-

[ShinChuck]

This is a thread about how new players will percieve the game. not about if quests are good or bad.

Certain posters are just nasty and condescending, and if you don't agree with them, regardless of what "side" they might be on, that means you're not as intelligent or intellectual. I would advise just ignoring them and responding to the more tolerant and open minded posters.

[Azurymber]

You also get rewards when you complete the quests in this game and that serves a purpose.

I have done pretty well every quest in existance in the cities and most of the village ones (heading to the silver bazaar now and then have to do limsa villages). The rewards are -useless- and -worthless-. I dropped almost all of them.
The -best- reward was like 30 crystals. I have 500-1000 of each crystal and ive been using a lot for crafting. 30 is not very impressive.

Other rewards have been:
Gear that is weak compared to other gear you can get for 3000gil
Bread....
orange juice
def and mag def potions that you can buy from npcs for 4000 each (i think you got 12 of them). They are pretty useless at rank 50.

So no, the rewards serve no purpose. Would be much faster to walk outside of grid, kill 10 marmots, npc the hides for 400gil each, and buy something better than the rewards you would get.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

I have done pretty well every quest in existance in the cities and most of the village ones (heading to the silver bazaar now and then have to do limsa villages). The rewards are -useless- and -worthless-. I dropped almost all of them.
The -best- reward was like 30 crystals. I have 500-1000 of each crystal and ive been using a lot for crafting. 30 is not very impressive.

Other rewards have been:
Gear that is weak compared to other gear you can get for 3000gil
Bread....
orange juice
def and mag def potions that you can buy from npcs for 4000 each (i think you got 12 of them). They are pretty useless at rank 50.

So no, the rewards serve no purpose. Would be much faster to walk outside of grid, kill 10 marmots, npc the hides for 400gil each, and buy something better than the rewards you would get.

Just because they're worthless or useless to YOU doesn't apply for everyone else.

[Azurymber]

Just because they're worthless or useless to YOU doesn't apply for everyone else.

it does if you can get 5 times as much reward as a rank 1 level 1 job in half the time it takes to finish a quest.
Right now there are approx 50 quests which require you to run around the entire world and take forever to do.
I could probably farm the equivilent of the rewards for 45 of them combined in under 2 hours with a brand new char just by farming marmots.

I don't want to sound like a jerk but have you actually done the quests? What rewards have you got that you consider good?
Best i found were crystals, 14000ish gil and a rank 40ish robe .

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

it does if you can get 5 times as much reward as a rank 1 level 1 job in half the time it takes to finish a quest.
Right now there are approx 50 quests which require you to run around the entire world and take forever to do.
I could probably farm the equivilent of the rewards for 45 of them combined in under 2 hours with a brand new char just by farming marmots.

I don't want to sound like a jerk but have you actually done the quests? What rewards have you got that you consider good?
Best i found were crystals, 14000ish gil and a rank 40ish robe .

Truth be told, I haven't done all the quests, I've done only one and the item I got was a brass choker, which is a pretty good item. I don't want to play until the new battle system is in place. There are some people that don't want to run around farm, they want to interact with the world. To them that's completing a quest, getting a little lore, and getting a reward. Like I said, just because they're worthless to you doesn't mean they're worthless for everyone.