Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Xmbei]

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted. don't try telling me making the game loleasy qualifies as content. yes he added low level nm's and lame side quests.

Haha no this guy is mad though.... and obviously not patient.... the list on the polls and what is to be done is a long list... Some of you are very impatient... He has cutdown the list in his most recent of letters that yes was a few ago... Because they are the closest to be implemented not that he isnt working on the others, he even stated in those letters he will be taking them off and adding them on as they come closer to implementation.... so I think you need to step back take a week/month/half year vacation, cool off comeback and see what has been done and said to be done instead of getting angry because someone disagrees with you... It is not a constructive conversation anymore it's a onesided blind arguement of someone saying "I am right and UGH I HATE EVERYTHING STFU AND GTRO BECAUSE I WON'T LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!" Seriously thats how you sound like right now poet.... I am not trying to troll/flame or anger you... just pointing out that you are being very.... angry with your posts... for no real good reason....

[Joeking]

Of course, bro, and when I said "me" I meant the player base, because if this battle system sucks or pisses off HALF of the remaining players, what's the future of this game? I think there's a lot riding on this battle system for me, for you, for the game, for the shareholders. Players are what fuel the business. They may have different desires (I want fun. Shareholders want a return on their investment.) but the two exist in harmony, theoretically, or they don't exist at all.

The developers didn't listen. Battle wasn't what players wanted most. They didn't even REALLY ask what kind of battle system we wanted. They certainly aren't sharing with us their ideas for a battle system. They said 1 word "auto-attack" and the internet exploded into (what appeared to be) 2 even factions; the I hate auto-attack and the I love auto-attack (and maybe the "idk, I'll see it when it's released and judge it later" group).

Here's the poll results taken on the battle system (sorta): Battle System Poll Results

Go ahead and read through that and see if you have a general idea of what's going to be implemented in June. Also, if you know, tell me what kind of battle system comes out of a handful of vague questions, because I'm dying to know and no one on the dev team will tell me, yet.

I never said it was first but its on the list, but if it fails a monster the community made this and there going to have to live with it.

About storyline forget it, anything they give you will be a disappointing anyways Hironobu Sakaguchi left remember.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

If you guys looked at the polls results more, a revision of the battle system was first for the Japanese and content was second for them. The majority of the West wanted more content.

[Kurokikaze]

And low and behold - we've been getting both these past few months.

You can't explain that.

[Joeking]

If you guys looked at the polls results more, a revision of the battle system was first for the Japanese and content was second for them. The majority of the West wanted more content.

Well then there seems to have been a misunderstanding here, I guess all is in order.

Japanese > Everyone else

Move along.. Move along.. Nothing to see here...

[SuzakuCMX]

Why do you guys assume they can't add content AND change the battle system >.> They have different people for different things.

[Shai]

So apparently what you're trying to say is that putting in quests, nms and stuff doesn't count as story-based content? News at 11.

Side-Quests do bring some story to the game. The first wave was pretty weak, but the last few waves have been foreshadowing Grand Companies and had more to do than fetch quests. "Winds of Change" and the others like it in Ul'dah and Gridania are three of my favorite quests so far.

I'm thinking, though, that when people said they wanted more story content, they meant the Main Storyline and Class Quests (which Tanaka said he'd bring 1Q 2011) and not these primarily bland little NPC quests, but that's open to interpretation, right?

The NMs, though, are content but not story content. Also, Tanaka said he'd be adding NMs in the 1st update 2011.

My real question, btw, was to compare Yoshida's list to Tanaka's list and tell me which sounded more exciting. Just FYI, but this is a pretty good post so I'll let it slide.

- Better communication.

True. I like that about Yoshida, too. Though his last Letter with content in it was February 17th. It's May 8th.

- Faster updates. Even if small.

I like this, too, and Yoshida's been good about this. Though his content has included "bigger monsters" and Tanaka's updates have included entirely new SP system (in response to fans) and Searchable Market Wards. So you win some you lose some, I think.

- He understands whats fundamentally wrong with the game and knows what to tackle.

I would need some proof of this, like an update with something Yoshida added to the game that Tanaka didn't have on his list already - because bigger monsters isn't cutting it. The battle system will be the true test of this statement, but we know nothing about the battle system, so seeing will be believing.

- The minute he stepped in - player poll.

Closer than Tanaka ever has, but I can't even begin to describe to you what's wrong with those 2 polls. The questions are loaded, the answers are too vague, you don't even know how your answers are going to be interpreted into game mechanics - but if all you want is to feel heard or closer to the Producer than before, then yes you got that warm feeling from the polls. I did, too. The polls are extremely flawed, though.

I could keep going but it doesn't matter...

Of course it matters. I was elated the day Yoshida took over. I wanted to have a party in the street (if anyone I knew played XIV in this state, I may have!) but 5 months down the line and I'm not so happy with what progress we've made. I am patient. I played XI for 8 years. Tanaka taught me about patience. ^^

I think someone who goes around saying he's going to whip this game into shape, "don't you worry, Shai, I got this one in the bag, rest assured" does owe me some kind of explanation at some point. Especially when half a year later it's not exactly clear what he intended or what he had in mind. I cannot rest assured without some assurance.

If people want to say it's the community's fault if the battle system flops and the game dies, then I think the community should at least know what the battle system is going to be and to give some feedback on it. Do you think that will happen? I don't think so.

Do you feel like you know more about the future of XIV because of Yoshida than you did about the future of XIV (or XI) because of Tanaka? ...because I feel very much in the dark. I feel like it's a grand secret that only the devs know and they "can't wait to tell us!" yet they never do until 2 days before patch release. How is that bringing Yoshida closer to the community? Please, let me know how you feel about it.

[Xmbei]

So your saying Westerners > than all? Because last I checked the Dev team are still catering to all of us.... Also been stated a lot of the content he and even a lot of us want added really can't be added till after the battle system change... because I am sure if they did the battle system last... EVERYTHING new and old added... would have to be recoded to fit the battle system.,... So they are getting it out now so that the meat of the game can come back out after....

[Shai]

I never said it was first but its on the list, but if it fails a monster the community made this and there going to have to live with it.

About storyline forget it, anything they give you will be a disappointing anyways Hironobu Sakaguchi left remember.

How does the community make something it doesn't even know about?

How do you blame the players who rejected Tanaka's battle in favor of ... "unknown battle system."

The community isn't going to botch this battle system. Only SE can do that, unless they start polling for results on their ideas, and not polling for results on if we like farming/gathering solo. (See Poll).

[Joeking]

How does the community make something it doesn't even know about?

How do you blame the players who rejected Tanaka's battle in favor of ... "unknown battle system."

The community isn't going to botch this battle system. Only SE can do that, unless they start polling for results on their ideas, and not polling for results on if we like farming/gathering solo. (See Poll).

Through the comparative suggestions the community makes its gonna end up, World Of Fantasy XI:Wings of Rift ( I dunno what the hell this) battle system.

"Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the Clone War has!" - Yoda