Thank you for FATEs :)

[ClockworkSpectre]

If you really think that is why people want them nerfed then you a clueless. While there may be a few like that, people like me are worried for the long term survival of the game, the way it effects the in game economy and that people are hitting 50 without understanding how their class/job functions. The FATE system is basically like handing level 50 to people without having to put in any effort, that is not how an MMO should run. As stated by others there is not risk involved for the reward, its lazy and requires no challenge.

[Acaelus]

If you really think that is why people want them nerfed then you a clueless. While there may be a few like that, people like me are worried for the long term survival of the game, the way it effects the in game economy and that people are hitting 50 without understanding how their class/job functions. The FATE system is basically like handing level 50 to people without having to put in any effort, that is not how an MMO should run. As stated by others there is not risk involved for the reward, its lazy and requires no challenge.

Let's be honest here, even with a more strict leveling curve, there will still be people that won't understand class/job functions. That's every MMO. FATEs are working as intended, and tbh the faster those people level to 50 the faster we find out they suck and don't group with them. Everyone thinks it is the responsibility of the community to train others, but in reality it isn't. It's a game, not a job.

[Moontide]

Let's be honest here, even with a more strict leveling curve, there will still be people that won't understand class/job functions. That's every MMO.

You are right with that. Plenty of people always choose the path of least resistance. FATEs are that at the moment for FFXIV RR. The suckiness of some players isn't because of the leveling speed per se though, but because of the irrelevance of gear and skill in FATEs. They don't really teach anything beyond which are your character's most spam-friendly skills as soon as the number of player participants exceeds half a dozen. I don't think SE intended to make FATEs such huge group Whack-a-Moles. The scaling doesn't work.

Most of the arguing in this forum is born from pro/con current leveling speed which is pretty fast even by modern MMO standards. I think the real issue lies in leveling speed only when it's compared to the effort, gear and skill that it takes in comparison to other options. FATE participation should be at least a good deal more hazardous via proper enemy scaling mechanisms (or a good deal less rewarding via proper XP scaling mechanisms if the participant/FATE challenge level rate is too much off. Such an outrage, I know). I don't want things to be any easier than what they are already.