Tank shortage is going to get worse.

[10TailBeast]

Tanker in Midgardsormr are as many as DPS. They are every where and steal my job!! D:

But, imo, tank is the most fun class to play in this game.

I really don't see how tanking is boring. You need your head on a swivel, you need to know where everyone is at all times, is the enemy positioned correctly, am I exposing any of my party to AoE death, etc. All of that is running through my head as I do my best to not lose anyone. I tanked Brayflox for the first time today. A few brief warnings from a player that had done it before and we were off. Not one wipe. A couple of deaths, including me (damn AoE lag) from the dragon's poison breath, but the dragon only had a whisper left by that point and we won. I was Raised by my party, which is a way of indicating I did a good job (I guess), after the fight had ended. My party also helped. They weren't impatient, they let me mark, then followed by Sleeping the other marks and attacking the one I was.

[Yshnal]

Are u sure u cant get cure 2? If you can level up your conj high enough to get it, I think you can swap out your cure for cure 2. And any other ability that you get. At least that's what I was thinking. I could be wrong though, b/c I haven't been reading up on how everything works. I like to just figure it out as the game progresses.

You can't. Not all skills can be used by other classes, and Cure 2 is one of them. To know which classes and jobs can use a skill, just look at the lower part of it's tooltip (PLD, GLD, etc.)

[Furious]

I play a paladin and it's amazing.

If you want to enjoy, you need to harden up and grow the stones needed to tell the dps to back off when they are attacking wrong targets or attacking too soon. Burst threat does not exist; a flash is worth 4 autoattacks worth of enmity with shield oath up, which a DPS can overtake in a gcd of they attack a target you aren't attacking.

On single target, the vast majority of your threat is tied to rage of halone being combo-ed - it gives 10x the threat of the damage it does. Anyone going bullet agate before your first rage hits wants to be tanking; if they keep doing it, let them tank. People learn fast.

Single target, 90% of the time my pull is
Prepull: Rampart, Fight or Flight (30% damage increase)
Shield lob (4x damage enmity, 120 potency) ~480
-Spirits Within (2x damage enmity, 300 potency) ~600
Fast Blade (2x damage enmity, 150 potency) ~300
-Circle of Scorn (2x damage enmity, 100 potency) ~200
Savage Blade (6x damage enmity, 200 potency) ~1200
Rage of Halone (10x damage enmity, 260 potency) ~2600

For the record, flash is (4x enmity, 100 potency) ~400

Now, the numbers are just for comparison and ignore the strength modifier to damage, but you can see just how important getting that rage of halone is to your threat - rage of halone by itself is worth as much threat as _every other ability_ combined before it. As far as aoe gathering/holding goes, pld simply isn't as strong as warrior. That doesn't mean we're bad at it though; just means we have to approach it differently. Personally usually flash > circle > flash > go into a shield bash rotation for small numbers of targets. Shield bash doesn't give a lot of threat but it does give a lot of time to get threat.

As for not being in control of our personal survivability, I don't know how many abilities you want for that...

Rampart
Sentinel
Flash blind
Shield Bash
Convalescence
Hallowed Ground
Awareness

And from Marauder:
Foresight
Bloodbath (ok so this one sucks)
Mercy Stroke

You're right, we aren't going to live long against hard content without healers; nor should we.

[DivineOracle]

You can't. Not all skills can be used by other classes, and Cure 2 is one of them. To know which classes and jobs can use a skill, just look at the lower part of it's tooltip (PLD, GLD, etc.)

Even if you could use cure 2 it costs alot of mp, so none DOM classes would run out very quickly, there is a reason CNJ gets the trait "freecure" because it's teaching you NOT to depend on cure 2 all the time.

[Docent]

Give me a tanking spec for Pugilist (Call it Black Belt, whatever) and I'll quit my real-life job and tank all day, every day. Heck, I'll even quit Scholar Healing in favor of Monk-tanking.

Make the AF look like this:

[silentwindfr]

i have stoped to play my pld for two reason:

- First the role of the paladin in group of 8 player, like Ifrit, if you have a warrior you are good for be there for interrupt and only interrupt.
- second, the speedrun, we spend 49 level to polish our skill at sweat and bleed for become better and all of this for?

it's frustrating to work that hard and get as only challenge to run into AK or use the stun for a whole fight. the tanking is perfect, fun and filled with challenge (especially in Duty finder) until you reach 50, where you normally must get really good challenge that will test the skill that you have worked soo hard to get... you have nothing.

another point, but it's my personal taste... the darklight armor is ugly... this big tincan is simply ugly... god, everything was better than this! the head don't move and make your character look weird all the time... and the most horrible is the armor of the drg, that is the look of an heavy armor!

at 50 your skill worth nothing, you will look ugly...why continue? what will make the tank think..."hey i have this to face later, that cool!!!"

ps: bloody hell no monk tanking please, nor ninja, anything but this... the final fantasy license have ton of jobs and class that can be made into tank... simply don't do this.

[Ruxelin]

Well considering that most people will be using the Duty Finder it's not all that feasible to "avoid" bad dps or a bad healer. And yes you could find a solid group to play with but sometimes that isn't even possible due to scheduling conflicts and such. I'm only level 29 on my Gladiator.. I feel most like a warrior from WoW.. as far as switching between targets and such.. I do pretty good so far but I can see where the OP is coming from. I feel like if you've tanked in other games it could be annoying but you could make it work.. I feel bad for anybody grouping with someone who's never done it period but SE has done a pretty good job ramping up the difficulty in subsequent dungeons.. Hauk manner is my next place. I hear it starts to get a bit more "real" there lol

[Furious]

i have stoped to play my pld for two reason:

- First the role of the paladin in group of 8 player, like Ifrit, if you have a warrior you are good for be there for interrupt and only interrupt.

You can tank ifrit WHILE stunning if you are good, leaving an extra spot for DPS, leaving the marauder unnecessary altogether. Also, there is no reason why 2 plds can tank ifrit together; 2 marauders will have a much harder time. Eruptions can only occur at specific times, and you can get in more than enough damage for threat between needing to stop using abilities to be ready to stun. For example, he won't use it at all in the first 10%, leaving plenty of time to get a threat lead.

- second, the speedrun, we spend 49 level to polish our skill at sweat and bleed for become better and all of this for?

Speed runs are a systemic issue with the game that I have no doubt will be changed in some way. That's what you get when you combine a system that makes it more expensive to kill mobs than to sacrifice players to them to skip them with exorbitant repair bills and no logical benefit to killing the mobs in question.

[Zaiken]

i have stoped to play my pld for two reason:

another point, but it's my personal taste... the darklight armor is ugly... this big tincan is simply ugly... god, everything was better than this! the head don't move and make your character look weird all the time... and the most horrible is the armor of the drg, that is the look of an heavy armor!

at 50 your skill worth nothing, you will look ugly...why continue? what will make the tank think..."hey i have this to face later, that cool!!!"

I agree, it the worst looking armor in the game. It make you walk weird and your character look very abnormal when performing skills. It kinda remind me of the Wizard of Oz the Tin Man armor. I'm just hoping the Artifact 2 will look better.

[Furious]

I agree, it the worst looking armor in the game. It make you walk weird and your character look very abnormal when performing skills. It kinda remind me of the Wizard of Oz the Tin Man armor. I'm just hoping the Artifact 2 will look better.

AF2 is bright white with blue trimming. I have only the hands, but they look amazing.