The job system

[Sneakaboo]

Aside from crafting/gathering it feels like the job system isn't finished at this moment.
Here are some reasons why I think it could be looked at and polished.
Feel free to leave your thoughts here about the matter, I'm curious what the community thinks.

It's a bit of a wall of text here, but as much as I like the game this bugs the hell out of me.


Quests:

When I swap jobs quests don't reset.
Which leaves me to do this.

A: Running instances . which isn't an option for DPS since the queue is long, also instances are 'slow'exp.
Also the moment they summon a chocobo to fight or join a fate group bye bye queue.

B: Levequests are shared with your crafters/gatherers so I rather not use them .
You will also burn through them very fast.

C: I run fates non stop, for every job I want to level.
Fates are not all that fun in ARR, people rush them down in groups of +50.
There is no challenge, no thought just move from A to B an spam your AOE.

D: Grind mobs and at some parts you lack them, but going with a grind party isn't all that effective.

The though of changing a job and do this 2-3-4 times doesn't sound appealing at all.
I have the option to roll an alt (when they unlock moogle) but doesn't that kill the whole idea of jobs?

Problem: Not enough ways to level once you done one job to 50.
Also when I level an alt I will end up with what 500k, if I level a job up through fates well not so much.


Cross skills

When I started as conjurer I was overjoyed, I could pick a lot of abilities from other classes.
I felt like I had a choice and could pick skills that would fit my play style, I thought this was an awesome idea.
The moment I hit White mage I had no choice, there are a few skills I can pick and done.
All the fun abilities where gone.

White mage is in every way superior in healing over a conjurer.
They might as well have given WHM swift cast and virus and there would be no difference.


Gearing up

Yoshi P said the game begins at 50.

Fair enough the first step you do is running Amdapor Keep until your eyes bleed.
It's the only valid instance to gather tomes and gear up.
Trash doesn't drop anything so you speed run and do this about 40 times.
The Primals don't give enough tomes and don't drop armour parts.

Now I want to change job, well luckily I will have green gear from Amdapor Keep.
How ever I will probably have to run it 40 times again for dark light/crafting mats.

That is if I want to swap jobs and raid the harder content, unless my FC has cleared all and I hoover all the gear up on greed.

But you might understand why this sounds a bit meh.

In other words having one valid instance isn't all that much and in my eyes boring.



TLDR:

If I am very honest the job system isn't fun.

- Not enough cross job skills to toy around with

- No quests to do on the second job, also less gil.

- Running the same instance over and over to gear your new job instead of having options for tomes.


Why bother with a job system if you make rolling an alt a so much better choice?
I hope it will receive some polish myself since it feels more like jobs got tagged on than well thought out.

[seikenflash]

You should have saved some of those quests for other classes, once you hit that next level you need to move on to the next area, story mission, or dungeon, there's no need to continue with the quests around where ever you are currently. Leave those quests for the next class to run through that zone.

[Citi]

You should have saved some of those quests for other classes, once you hit that next level you need to move on to the next area, story mission, or dungeon, there's no need to continue with the quests around where ever you are currently. Leave those quests for the next class to run through that zone.

People shouldn't be punished for using all the resources given to them when leveling their main.

[Sneakaboo]

You can't save enough quests for 2-3 jobs unless you run fates.
In the end you will do still about the same amount of fates to level which is the problem.
Just because you save quests by running more of them doesn't change the outcome over the stretch of 4-5 jobs.

I ran out of them and have done most instance 3-4 times and still had to farm a lot of fates on my main job.


I honestly feel like you get 'punished' for changing jobs and focusing on one character over rolling an alt.

[Nikki]

The whole system seems to be designed to push people towards FATE grinding. And then people wonder why everyone is doing it. No sidequests, limited levequests, horrible xp from dungeons and worst of all the diminishing xp from guildhests...seriously whose genius idea was it? what is even the logic behind reducing xp from guildhests when there are so many alt classes to level up? its like whoever did it has deep seeded hate for human beings.

I am lvl 30 lancer now and i can already see the enormous grind i have to face when i level another class and honestly more i think about grinding fates like mindless zombie more i am assured that quitting is much better option. There are so many weird design decisions with this game that makes no sense to me at all.

I can tell you right now that subs are going to drop like dead flies once free month is over. In its current state FFXIV ARR is nothing but one big frustration and honestly not worth it.

[jpem]

There are so many weird design decisions with this game that makes no sense to me at all.

Definitely agree.

[kollwitz]

When I started as conjurer I was overjoyed, I could pick a lot of abilities from other classes.
I felt like I had a choice and could pick skills that would fit my play style, I thought this was an awesome idea.
The moment I hit White mage I had no choice, there are a few skills I can pick and done.
All the fun abilities where gone.

White mage is in every way superior in healing over a conjurer.
They might as well have given WHM swift cast and virus and there would be no difference.

classes are supposed to be used while questing/leveling hence the utility.
jobs are for all the group content, that's why they lack utility but gain strength in their domain.

]- Not enough cross job skills to toy around with

not yet

No quests to do on the second job, also less gil.

well...maxing out all classes in two months would just be silly, wouldn't it...

I hope it will receive some polish myself since it feels more like jobs got tagged on than well thought out.

don't worry about that. look at any MMO in it's first month and then look at it a couple of months/years later...

[jpem]

well...maxing out all classes in two months would just be silly, wouldn't it...

FATE leveling alt classes is very fast, since you get a bonus. Way faster than leveling your main through quests. It's just not fun and comes off as bad game design to build the leveling system around it.

[Jinmotofu]

Yeah this game needs a lot more side Quests!!

[kollwitz]

FATE leveling alt classes is very fast, since you get a bonus. Way faster than leveling your main through quests. It's just not fun and comes off as bad game design to build the leveling system around it.

true, and hopefully an oversight by the dev team. i can't really imagen that fate grinding in it's current state was intended. especially in comparison to the other avaible level content.
what i meant however was leveling by the same quests you did with your first class, which is already way too fast for my taste..