The job system

[Sneakaboo]

Aside from crafting/gathering it feels like the job system isn't finished at this moment.
Here are some reasons why I think it could be looked at and polished.
Feel free to leave your thoughts here about the matter, I'm curious what the community thinks.

It's a bit of a wall of text here, but as much as I like the game this bugs the hell out of me.


Quests:

When I swap jobs quests don't reset.
Which leaves me to do this.

A: Running instances . which isn't an option for DPS since the queue is long, also instances are 'slow'exp.
Also the moment they summon a chocobo to fight or join a fate group bye bye queue.

B: Levequests are shared with your crafters/gatherers so I rather not use them .
You will also burn through them very fast.

C: I run fates non stop, for every job I want to level.
Fates are not all that fun in ARR, people rush them down in groups of +50.
There is no challenge, no thought just move from A to B an spam your AOE.

D: Grind mobs and at some parts you lack them, but going with a grind party isn't all that effective.

The though of changing a job and do this 2-3-4 times doesn't sound appealing at all.
I have the option to roll an alt (when they unlock moogle) but doesn't that kill the whole idea of jobs?

Problem: Not enough ways to level once you done one job to 50.
Also when I level an alt I will end up with what 500k, if I level a job up through fates well not so much.


Cross skills

When I started as conjurer I was overjoyed, I could pick a lot of abilities from other classes.
I felt like I had a choice and could pick skills that would fit my play style, I thought this was an awesome idea.
The moment I hit White mage I had no choice, there are a few skills I can pick and done.
All the fun abilities where gone.

White mage is in every way superior in healing over a conjurer.
They might as well have given WHM swift cast and virus and there would be no difference.


Gearing up

Yoshi P said the game begins at 50.

Fair enough the first step you do is running Amdapor Keep until your eyes bleed.
It's the only valid instance to gather tomes and gear up.
Trash doesn't drop anything so you speed run and do this about 40 times.
The Primals don't give enough tomes and don't drop armour parts.

Now I want to change job, well luckily I will have green gear from Amdapor Keep.
How ever I will probably have to run it 40 times again for dark light/crafting mats.

That is if I want to swap jobs and raid the harder content, unless my FC has cleared all and I hoover all the gear up on greed.

But you might understand why this sounds a bit meh.

In other words having one valid instance isn't all that much and in my eyes boring.



TLDR:

If I am very honest the job system isn't fun.

- Not enough cross job skills to toy around with

- No quests to do on the second job, also less gil.

- Running the same instance over and over to gear your new job instead of having options for tomes.


Why bother with a job system if you make rolling an alt a so much better choice?
I hope it will receive some polish myself since it feels more like jobs got tagged on than well thought out.

[seikenflash]

You should have saved some of those quests for other classes, once you hit that next level you need to move on to the next area, story mission, or dungeon, there's no need to continue with the quests around where ever you are currently. Leave those quests for the next class to run through that zone.

[Citi]

You should have saved some of those quests for other classes, once you hit that next level you need to move on to the next area, story mission, or dungeon, there's no need to continue with the quests around where ever you are currently. Leave those quests for the next class to run through that zone.

People shouldn't be punished for using all the resources given to them when leveling their main.

[Noata]

People shouldn't be punished for using all the resources given to them when leveling their main.

You are very much wrong, just like you have the right to run dungeons all day and spend all your money repairing your gear. You have certain privileges, and you also get the privilege of something called consequence. its Cause and Effect. making a bad decision comes with bad results.

I do not know where that entitled attitude came from, but it certainly is not warranted. If i rob a bank I get the consequences when I am arrested. if i waste all my paycheck on a bar tab, i get the consequences for doing so. Exhausting one of your means of leveling when it was not necessary is exactly what was done, and having a lack of methods to advance is the result. That is all the forum is full of, people who shot there own foot screaming that SE should implement a system that avoids the effect of poor decisions.

[Shiyo]

You are very much wrong, just like you have the right to run dungeons all day and spend all your money repairing your gear. You have certain privileges, and you also get the privilege of something called consequence. its Cause and Effect. making a bad decision comes with bad results.

I do not know where that entitled attitude came from, but it certainly is not warranted. If i rob a bank I get the consequences when I am arrested. if i waste all my paycheck on a bar tab, i get the consequences for doing so. Exhausting one of your means of leveling when it was not necessary is exactly what was done, and having a lack of methods to advance is the result. That is all the forum is full of, people who shot there own foot screaming that SE should implement a system that avoids the effect of poor decisions.

Wow, did you just compare someone having fun and questing for gil/gear/exp and being punished for it on their other classes due to bad game design to robbing a bank?

[Noata]

Wow, did you just compare someone having fun and questing for gil/gear/exp and being punished for it on their other classes due to bad game design to robbing a bank?

Apparently analogies are beyond your education. Analogy - a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

I will further simplify using my own previous words, "Cause and Effect" every decision has an effect, some may be harder to tell or the full effect may not be perceivable at first. none the less, being ignorant of the effects does not warrant exemption from consequence.

[Noata]

I apologize if you think it was derailing or baiting, I merely wanted to relate that even in games the principle of "cause and effect" are existent and it is in no way the fault of the game that a player caused their own predicament.

"cause and effect" is a principle of nearly everything in life, I may have used examples you deem extreme, but think of any "cause and effect" and apply it. some are negative and some are positive. In this case i was trying to explain that the cause was self induced. my examples directly reference similar situations. where a negative result can occur due to a personal choice. I do not see how this does not relate to a game where one of the most influential parts of your experience could just be your starting class, which could effect the Q times, level progression and enjoyment of the game.

[Sneakaboo]

You can't save enough quests for 2-3 jobs unless you run fates.
In the end you will do still about the same amount of fates to level which is the problem.
Just because you save quests by running more of them doesn't change the outcome over the stretch of 4-5 jobs.

I ran out of them and have done most instance 3-4 times and still had to farm a lot of fates on my main job.


I honestly feel like you get 'punished' for changing jobs and focusing on one character over rolling an alt.

[Helzbelz]

You can't save enough quests for 2-3 jobs unless you run fates.
In the end you will do still about the same amount of fates to level which is the problem.
Just because you save quests by running more of them doesn't change the outcome over the stretch of 4-5 jobs.

I ran out of them and have done most instance 3-4 times and still had to farm a lot of fates on my main job.


I honestly feel like you get 'punished' for changing jobs and focusing on one character over rolling an alt.

Yoshi-P Already said they are going to double the size of the world through Patches, this means leveling zones, instances and so on. So in time you will have enough quest to level to your hearts desire. Right now not everything is in, please wait for patches to start your rant about not enough quest to level X amount of jobs.

[Nikki]

The whole system seems to be designed to push people towards FATE grinding. And then people wonder why everyone is doing it. No sidequests, limited levequests, horrible xp from dungeons and worst of all the diminishing xp from guildhests...seriously whose genius idea was it? what is even the logic behind reducing xp from guildhests when there are so many alt classes to level up? its like whoever did it has deep seeded hate for human beings.

I am lvl 30 lancer now and i can already see the enormous grind i have to face when i level another class and honestly more i think about grinding fates like mindless zombie more i am assured that quitting is much better option. There are so many weird design decisions with this game that makes no sense to me at all.

I can tell you right now that subs are going to drop like dead flies once free month is over. In its current state FFXIV ARR is nothing but one big frustration and honestly not worth it.