For all you warrior tanks out there... end game we are not viable.

[RhazeCain]

The OP's statement is something I wondered about since before I rolled Marauder back in beta. Cause it's more or less the same in most MMOs..

There are 2+ flavors of tank: one is most defense oriented with least damage output, the other is somewhat less defensive and higher damage output. I'll call them PLD and WAR to keep it easy.

Either:
1. WAR will be fully adequate as a tank in toughest settings. Then because of the higher damage WAR is always preferred.
*or*
2. WAR will be inadequate as a tank in toughest settings. It may be fine in lower settings or when the WAR outgears the fight. But then PLD is heavily preferred.

Best game design is to probably nudge them as close together as possible. But that's not easy, and it's looking like #2 is actually the case here currently. Also keep in mind that this balance can change at any patch.

[mushashi]

i was leveling to the warrior as second class for when we need a tank and our guild tank isnt online but im seeing that 30 sec stun versus no cooldown stun and better survivality of palas are too much?
i hope to before i get him to 50 war get a BIG buf or the pld get a nerf

[Kiara]

There are 2+ flavors of tank: one is most defense oriented with least damage output, the other is somewhat less defensive and higher damage output. I'll call them PLD and WAR to keep it easy.

Either:
1. WAR will be fully adequate as a tank in toughest settings. Then because of the higher damage WAR is always preferred.
*or*
2. WAR will be inadequate as a tank in toughest settings. It may be fine in lower settings or when the WAR outgears the fight. But then PLD is heavily preferred.

Best game design is to probably nudge them as close together as possible. But that's not easy, and it's looking like #2 is actually the case here currently. Also keep in mind that this balance can change at any patch.

Hi Rhaze,

Definitely. For those that didn't get to play Final Fantasy XIV 1.0, it's been an ongoing battle with players decrying Yoshi P for "Warriors are too weak" & "Paladin is too weak!", and it changed from major patch to patch.

I still remember Warriors with Steel Cyclone spam in 1.0. For a while, they were so OP and did so much damage, it didn't matter what damage reduction Paladins had (in fact, some content had multiple Warriors and just skipped inviting other DPS). Then Yoshi P nerfed Steel Cyclone dramatically. And then 2.0 launches. We'll see what happens next.