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  1. #51
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    ZenBear's Avatar
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    Hector Heinrick
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisCaelus View Post
    Warriors aren't supposed to main tank for the higher dungeons anyways. Paladins are the main tanks.
    Says who? As far as I've seen, the devs have never stated that WAR is an off-tank. This is conjecture.
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    He who rides a tiger cannot dismount. - James H. Howard

  2. #52
    Player ReiszRie's Avatar
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    Reisz Rie
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBear View Post
    And here's the rub; WAR is a tank. In a party setting, they are there to take damage and not die. DPS plays no part in this.

    WAR's method of not dying is to heal from damage dealt. To accomplish this they are given more damage, which makes them stronger than the PLD.

    You say that to balance this, the WAR should be less capable of not dying, which means they are less capable in their primary function. Thus, WAR is a worse tank, but is supposed to make up for it by being a secondary DD? Such a design is inherently inefficient.
    Their method of not dying is by means of a substantially larger HP pool and increased heals, WAR are by no means squishy, my FC has WAR that currently runs Coils so the notion that they are underpowered or ill-suited for the job is an exaggeration IMO
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  3. #53
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    Casper Theghost
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    Phoenix
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    Rogue Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
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    Dude. You said "Please let me know if my interpretations are erroneous". They were, and you stand corrected. Not once in the post did i say anything about wether war need to have the same survivability than pld. You did some math to prove that 20% reduction of damage is inferior to 25% more hp and healing, you were wrong, i corrected your math, end of the story. Just don't use that argument to justify than war are fine, that's all.
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  4. #54
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    Wangstrong's Avatar
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    Big Larsen
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisCaelus View Post
    Warriors aren't supposed to main tank for the higher dungeons anyways. Paladins are the main tanks.
    Nobody ever said that, and also there simply isn't a need for off-tanks in the game. Almost all content is designed for one tank, and in the few encounters where you might need another, paladins are still better off-tanks than warriors anyway.

    It's not like warriors can queue as DPS. I can't believe the amount of retardation on this forum from people who can't comprehend why the two tank classes need to be equally good. What would be the fucking point of a class that can only be a tank if another class was intentionally designed to be a better tank?

    It's a simple matter of necessary rebalancing, and it's frankly astonishing how many people can dream up reasons to deny this. Almost all of them are paladin players, too, which I guess explains why they'd fight tooth and nail to remain the best tank class by a country mile. So selfish and unintelligent.
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    Last edited by Wangstrong; 09-10-2013 at 08:00 PM.

  5. #55
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    Bayman's Avatar
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    Bayman Man
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 50
    I will revisit this thread when you are running the content in proper order. Too many variables to be crying "broken class" just yet.
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  6. #56
    Player HiirNoivl's Avatar
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    Hiir Noivl
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by TirionCrey View Post
    With Thrill of Battle prolly...sorry Hiir...I saw your posts regarding Warrior all over the place and you're just spreading bullshit all over the place. Either you are a troll, or you're just a person that should be avoided in general...
    Yeah with FOOD AND OTHER BUFFS. Like I said. Thrill of Battle is a buff. So you just agreed with my nonsense. How do you feel about that?
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    Last edited by HiirNoivl; 09-10-2013 at 08:37 PM.

  7. #57
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    Blazn Pyro
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    Midgardsormr
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Funny I know two other warriors that can tank it easily
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  8. #58
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    Furio Noctis
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    Odin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Brief summary of the OP's case:

    "I don't know how to play/itemize my warrior, therefore it is utterly useless in higher level content."
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  9. #59
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    Rudolph Crowjaw
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Im lvl 42.....so i guess ill either meet GLORY or an REALLY UNSPEAKABLE BLOODY DEATH in about 8 lvls LOL!
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  10. #60
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    Pwna Graphic
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    Hyperion
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Not even two threads below this is talking about Warriors and Paladins both being too OP. xD
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