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  1. #321
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    Eileah Winterborne
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    Not being able to buy the amount I need, as opposed to entire stacks, is juts forcing me to level up all the crafts and harvest all my own stuff.

    None of you greedy people will get my gil because I don't want to buy 99 of every item I need when I only need 1, so the market is effectively forcing people to get their own stuff and make their own stuff because we can't buy just what we need.

    This isn't helping the market, it's killing it and making us be self sufficient instead of interdependent.
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  2. #322
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    Hermennes Cletrindale
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    Quote Originally Posted by someone7x View Post
    Not being able to buy the amount I need, as opposed to entire stacks, is juts forcing me to level up all the crafts and harvest all my own stuff.

    None of you greedy people will get my gil because I don't want to buy 99 of every item I need when I only need 1, so the market is effectively forcing people to get their own stuff and make their own stuff because we can't buy just what we need.

    This isn't helping the market, it's killing it and making us be self sufficient instead of interdependent.
    I think you shouldn't speak for everyone else. If you're too cheap to scroll down the list and buy the slightly more expensive (per unit) item being sold in a stack of 1, then that's your loss. Everyone else is smart enough to not wait for an item to be sold at its cheapest.
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  3. #323
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    Reika Shadowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Greetings,

    The current features of the market wards were created based on discussions held between the market planning team and Yoshida. The market wards were set up in this way so that it would be possible to create differences between players who check the market and those that do not, by allowing the person placing items onto the market to research the current demand and sell an amount of items that are easy to buy.
    How about you guys just bring back the same option that was in 1.0? Sell as a bundle, or sell 1 at a time. It wastes retainer space to sell 1 of something people aren't going to want to buy more than 1 of, and was already pointed out that those nasty RMT you guys hate so much can take advantage of the type of system you put in place.
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  4. #324
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almalexia View Post
    If I want a certain number of Bahamut testicles, I shouldn't have to buy them 10 at a time because another player told me this is how it has to be--especially when I only need 8 Bahamut testicles.
    Why don't you just buy the stack of 10 and sell the 2 extra? You could even sell them individually at higher prices than you paid for them, and make a profit!
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  5. #325
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    Jinko Jinko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bufkus View Post
    Why don't you just buy the stack of 10 and sell the 2 extra? You could even sell them individually at higher prices than you paid for them, and make a profit!
    You know how this scenario goes .. ?

    I do as you say and buy them, have 2 left over and sell them in singles for 9000 gil each, I add a bit extra because I have to factor in the tax fees that a) I had to pay as a buyer and b) I have to pay as a seller.

    An hour later ..

    Someone else or maybe even an RMT comes along and under cuts me, now I have to under cut the undercutter just to sell these left overs, losing profit, time and inventory space in the process.

    Granted if Bahamut Testicles are rare you may not run into this issue.
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    Last edited by Jinko; 09-11-2013 at 04:43 AM.

  6. #326
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    Almalexia Indoril
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bufkus View Post
    Why don't you just buy the stack of 10 and sell the 2 extra? You could even sell them individually at higher prices than you paid for them, and make a profit!
    This isn't a sustainable way of handling a market. Every time someone buys more than they need, two parties are taxed. If you keep taxing down the same but progressively smaller item set, you just accumulate taxes. Let me just run through a scenario with you:

    I have a 50x stack of gigas thumbs, and Jinko--Excalibur's premier Thumbcrafter (TMB)--only needs 25 for his production today. First he'll have to pay 100% more than he bargained for, then he'll have to put the 25 other thumbs up for sale. Now Altuary wants to get in on the TMB biz, but she only needs 12; she buys Jinko's 25 thumbs--again, 100% more than she intended to pay--and puts the remaining 13 back up for sale. And on, and on, and on...

    In every case, someone has to a) pay more than they intended b) resell the item for more than they bought it in order to recoup taxes c) waste retainer listings on items they didn't want in the first place. The only real winner is the person at the top - that's me - because I sold the batch first. Or did I? Earlier, I had to buy 99 gigas thumbs because there was no other listing.

    Basically, if the markets don't have the exact quantities desired, buyers have to suck it up and lose money or disrupt production and lose money. This should only happen if there's a shortage of goods, not an excess of goods in the wrong listing.
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  8. #327
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    Sura Ventri
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    I think the market will sort this out. When people start realizing they can sell 10x more of the stuff if they put up stacks of 1 or 5/10 they will. I put up stacks of 1 or 5 at a slightly higher price than the 99x stacks and they sell out in my play session, I have to resupply Mr Retainer before I log off. The larger stacks always take a bit longer to sell it seems so far.
    After all, I know how the buyers feel, I don't want to buy 99x when I'm making one or two, so why would I try to sell something in a way I personally wouldn't buy it ?
    Sellers need to be smarter, SE doesn't need to change the way we put up stuff. Now if we could place Buy orders....
    The issue would be solved!
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  9. #328
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    Eileah Winterborne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bufkus View Post
    I think you shouldn't speak for everyone else. If you're too cheap to scroll down the list and buy the slightly more expensive (per unit) item being sold in a stack of 1, then that's your loss. Everyone else is smart enough to not wait for an item to be sold at its cheapest.
    It's not cheap, it's practical.

    No one buy a case of widgets when they only need 1.

    It's also not "smart" to wait for a good price just because you are forced to buy in bulk (the lower price might not happen so how smart is that?) much smarter to just get your own and have the amount you need when you need it, not waiting for better prices or smaller quantities that will probably never happen.

    Not everyone want to be a reseller btw, we just want what we need, not surplus stock that we have to unload.
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  10. #329
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    Skye Lockhart
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    Most of the items I see on marketboards are @ 99 now.

    You either buy 99 at whatever obscene price or you buy none.

    It's madness.
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  11. #330
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    Justin Beiber
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    Quote Originally Posted by someone7x View Post
    It's not cheap, it's practical.

    No one buy a case of widgets when they only need 1.
    If this was true, then it's up to the seller to learn and not SELL a case of widgets when people only want to BUY one. It's an interactive scenario. It's not like because the first page are all stacks of 99, the next 5 pages will be.

    Unfortunately, prices on most low-level items are so ridiculously low that people really are buying stacks of 99 and reselling or vendoring the remaining 98...sometimes for profit. >.>
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