[Discussion] The Pugilist of the Future!

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I always thought that PGL were good DD tanks. We do have second wind which allows us to stay alive longer when tanking, and some of our big WS's are dependent on evasion which helps us keep hate while tanking also. I really like the class, but I'm kinda biased since my next highest fighting job is 33. I would say pugilist is one of the most well rounded jobs.

an example of this is the other day I ran up to the devlitt NM in Muy Tuy and a R50 lancer was attempting a solo. He had a hauby +2 and all other +1 or +2 gear and he wiped. I finished him up, and then solo'd him again for good measure as a pugilist with no problems.

I agree with you in that we are well rounded. The only possible problem I see with that, is that being so well rounded are we very desirable in a group? When you have the choice between a MRD/GLD as a tank and an ARC/LNC DD, are Pugs going to be left out in the cold? Can we compete with other tanks for Hate? Can we compete with other DDs in terms of damage done?

I don't have any details on these questions. I know there is a parser out there that will record some of the Data and I may do some experiments to see if I can hold hate over another tank.

[Bigglesworth]

I agree with you in that we are well rounded. The only possible problem I see with that, is that being so well rounded are we very desirable in a group? When you have the choice between a MRD/GLD as a tank and an ARC/LNC DD, are Pugs going to be left out in the cold? Can we compete with other tanks for Hate? Can we compete with other DDs in terms of damage done?

I don't have any details on these questions. I know there is a parser out there that will record some of the Data and I may do some experiments to see if I can hold hate over another tank.

All good questions, and the answer becomes more muddles in that all the classes in 14 are thrown in a mixed together. For example for the tanks, do they have Emulate (THM) for the tough NM's? For the ARC/LNC do they have all the pre-WS buffs to camp their spike damage? Are your DD using battle regimens appropriately?

I don't think jobs are discriminated against in the same way they were in 11 when you were forming parties.

[Akuun]

Can we compete with other tanks for Hate?

The answer is Yes!
Pugilists strongest tanking ability is it's hate.
Rips hate off Gladiators equiped with intimidation and aeolion scimitar just by hitting. (with no enmity modifier)
Easily hold hate off of archers.
The only class it sometimes struggles to hold hate off of is mages because of the enmity of dots. (accomplice, taunt, and intimidation, these solve that problem)