To all the SMN QQ

[Rainsford]

For what it's worth, I've been running a parser recently on my SMN. While I can almost keep up with DRG/BLM (as in, around 10% less), I still get blown away by BRDs (they do around 50% more damage in an average fight). Of course, that's if everything goes right. Pet dies, you have to move around too much, etc? Your DPS falls off a cliff.

Some major issues:

• Smashing your hotkey for Contagion? Only if Garuda feels like casting it.
• Your dots all have different duration's, meaning any type of established "I can apply them all, then have 3 GCD's free until reapplying" is nearly impossible.
• The UI likes to scatter your debuffs around a mobs healthbar, and God help you if you have a SCH doting or another SMN. Better start memorizing those durations and keeping track in your head!
• Rouse and Spur refuse to cast half the time thanks to the animation lag. Can't go on GCD while trying to cast them either.

DPS is decidedly subpar. Go SCH in Cleric Stance.

[Kevee]

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Read before posting.

-Parser means nothing. Can't/Doesn't properly log DoTs.
-Garuda can only use it if it isn't in the animation of another attack. Just like all skills, it has it's own animation.
-Yes and no, it depends on the fight and invulnerability/add phases.
-This needs to be addressed.
-Rouse and Spur, just like any other off-GCD skill, are bound by animation. Just like all skills, they are bound by animation. There's no "animation lag." It's an intended function. just wait ~.5-1s after using an instant ability and you can use an off-GCD skill during the GCD.

-No real way to test DPS.

[KingBerry]

lol
No, you weren't just "writing them down." You posted a rotation, which is clear when you list Fester twice and Ruin II twice(in a row, which is another sign you don't know what you're doing).

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First off using bio causes all skills to go under GCD including thunder. Using thunder you can instantly cast bio right after then use garuda cotagion to keep thunder and bio at the same time limit. Using Ruin II while fester is on cooldown is correct if you don't use Ruin II you obviously don't know what you are doing and missing out on a 7-15% dps. Miasma II then virus ( if you actually believe I use this rotation) is still good since virus does not share GCD with miasma II so you can instantly cast it after. Like I said you are a new player who played WoW you have no clue what you are doing why should I even try to show you im better then you which I am.

[Kevee]

First off using bio causes all skills to go under GCD including thunder. Using thunder you can instantly cast bio right after then use garuda cotagion to keep thunder and bio at the same time limit. Using Ruin II while fester is on cooldown is correct if you don't use Ruin II you obviously don't know what you are doing and missing out on a 7-15% dps. Miasma II then virus ( if you actually believe I use this rotation) is still good since virus does not share GCD with miasma II so you can instantly cast it after. Like I said you are a new player who played WoW you have no clue what you are doing why should I even try to show you im better then you which I am.

I literally laughed out loud.

No wonder you think SMN is weak.

[KingBerry]

I literally laughed out loud.

No wonder you think SMN is weak.

No I dont think it weak I think IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO START DPS. You need to get all DoT and fester to start getting dps while any other dps class can be doing damage while you are taking time casting? That why they are least wanted in dungeons. That why all of sudden I barely see anyone play summoner in my server it a joke really they need to change the class not that it lacking dps but it TAKES TO LONG TO START DPSING.

Im not in the mood to start a flame war with you obviously you love DoT class because you came from WoW but I never played WoW only mmo game I ever played was XI and XIV 1.23.

[Karnage720]

Im new to ffxiv, played smn ffxi. For the life of me, i cant figure out what GCD is. Anyone care to elaborate.

[KingBerry]

Im new to ffxiv, played smn ffxi. For the life of me, i cant figure out what GCD is. Anyone care to elaborate.

GCD is to make things easier for players that can't handle fast paced action battle with short reaction time and reflects. That why this game went toward WoW players because they would cry and rage if this was 1.23 or XI.

[Kevee]

No I dont think it weak I think IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO START DPS. You need to get all DoT and fester to start getting dps while any other dps class can be doing damage while you are taking time casting? That why they are least wanted in dungeons. That why all of sudden I barely see anyone play summoner in my server it a joke really they need to change the class not that it lacking dps but it TAKES TO LONG TO START DPSING.

Im not in the mood to start a flame war with you obviously you love DoT class because you came from WoW but I never played WoW only mmo game I ever played was XI and XIV 1.23.

No, it's not a slow start. Not any longer than other classes.

lol

What kind of damage do you need to catch up to when you have applied 3 DoTs and used a 300 potency off-GCD skill, while your pet is attacking?
If anything, SMN will be the highest right after 3 GCDs, and other people need to catch up. Again, though, this is just after 3 GCDs. Not saying long-term.

DoTs still tick when you're applying your others, it's not like they wait until you have all of them up and then they magically start ticking. By the time you use Bio->Fester, Bio II would have ticked twice and Miasma once. That's 125 potency on top of 300, on top of 3 pet attacks. That's 725 potency. The only class who can even think to match that potency in the first 3 GCDs is BLM, or a MNK who uses Steel Peak and Howling Fist within the first 2 GCDs. DRG can do it if they use Leg Sweep. We still have other options to increase this further, though, unlike those classes(not to mention using stun CDs for DPS isn't always viable. Hello there, ifrit).

We are the least wanted in dungeons because of people like you.


As a stern example of your ineptitude and that you don't know what you're doing, you never use Miasma II for single target DPS. It's 70 potency vs 80 from Ruin/Ruin II. The only time it's worth it is the second, or third, contagion. There isn't enough time in the first, and if you want to keep using Fester in the long-run you won't be using Miasma II or Ruin II repeatedly. You use Ruin II as needed, otherwise you use Ruin I. In addition to this, you even backed up doing Thunder->Bio.

You don't know what you're doing.

[Karnage720]

GCD is to make things easier for players that can't handle fast paced action battle with short reaction time and reflects. That why this game went toward WoW players because they would cry and rage if this was 1.23 or XI.

Hmm...what exactly is it tho. I still dont understand lol

[Kevee]

Hmm...what exactly is it tho. I still dont understand lol

It stands for global cooldown.

Basically, when you use a skill you can't use another for 2.5s.

Some abilities have an exception, but that's the gist.