titan hard (hard for high latency)

[Jynxii]

If you run the game at 260ms.

I live in Australia and have my own latency issues, and I can still manage just fine (for the most part). A lot of the mechanics become incredibly predictable after you have done it a few times. Things like Titan's pools that spawn at random places are definitely harder to avoid, but they still come at relatively predictable timers. Hell, I'm sure when they enable modding someone will come up with something akin to WoW's "Deadly Boss Mods" that will give a warning before the pools spawn so you won't have to think.

I was actually arguing against people who whine about 130ms and how it makes the game 'impossible' when players like myself play at double that. It is even worse when people on lower latency perform worse than those on higher latency, but still cry lag.

There is only so much that can be blamed on latency, the rest is poor positioning, failing to adapt, or people not being as good as they think they are.

[Eunys]

There is only so much that can be blamed on latency, the rest is poor positioning, failing to adapt, or people not being as good as they think they are.

This is all that has to be said. Any MMO under 300ms is more then playable. People do it everyday even people in top in guilds in other MMOs. Stop being bad and blaming a data center location for your own short comings.

[Azrael]

and I can still manage just fine (for the most part).

I'm sure you can't manage anymore after the heart phase when things start to be faster?

Latency isn't supposed to be an additional level of difficulty to titan, NA/JP people get it easy to fight, for others is just harder.

Oh btw, just noticed you live in Australia but you play on a JP server, much closer to you.
Nice try in trying to make your point.

[Jynxii]

Latency isn't supposed to be an additional level of difficulty

And yet it is. I'm happy that in just about every other MMO you've had European servers, and have had the luxury of low latency, however if you game from Australia, you're always looking at 200-300ms. Does it suck? God yes. Has ANY company put in a system to counter this? No. You learn to deal with it, and it is possible to deal with. I've yet to encounter truly random mechanics that can't be attributed to a pattern or specific timings, thus making them predictable.

I'm not arguing that the difficulty of Titan's last phase isn't made harder, but the patterns exist. I reiterate; latency can be blamed to a certain degree, however it can be overcome with good positioning, skill and adaptability.

When low latency players fail Titan, it is because they're actually bad? Does having high latency and failing make you inherently better or more skilled than players with low latency that fail?

[Azrael]

When low latency players fail Titan, it is because they're actually bad? Does having high latency and failing make you inherently better or more skilled than players with low latency that fail?

I'll turn your question to you in another way. Who is better: player that can beat the content with 20 ms, or players that can beat the same content with 200ms?
After you answer that, also answer: Why?

[Jynxii]

Question. Why?

I don't think it is a simple matter of "higher latency players are better because they have to beat latency and the boss!". I think there are other challenges that higher latency players have to deal with, but the encounters themselves still require certain positioning, skill and reaction times, even on low latency.

The way I see it, you develop an extra 'skill/ability' to be able to factor in the latency to the mechanics, and maybe you 'have' to pay a little more attention to the patterns/timing since you have less time to react, but whether or not that makes you a better player I can't say. For me personally, it is just something I do now, because it has always been this way. Would this make me a better player if I moved to lower latency? Maybe. Players with higher familiarity or awareness of boss mechanics and positioning always seem to do more successfully than those who lack such things, assuming all things are equal of course.

[Azrael]

The way I see it, you develop an extra 'skill/ability' to be able to factor in the latency to the mechanics, and maybe you 'have' to pay a little more attention to the patterns/timing since you have less time to react, but whether or not that makes you a better player I can't say. For me personally, it is just something I do now, because it has always been this way. Would this make me a better player if I moved to lower latency? Maybe. Players with higher familiarity or awareness of boss mechanics and positioning always seem to do more successfully than those who lack such things, assuming all things are equal of course.

Exactly, so it also work the other way around, it's harder for people with higher latency.

Plus you got the same problem as me/us with latency, not having a server in your region, I really don't see why you are against this topic.

[Jynxii]

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The difference is that I've been experiencing this problem since I've started playing MMOs, and instead of letting the latency ruin my experience, I took it upon myself to try and work with it.

How can you over come latency? Acknowledge the delay and adapting to it would be a good start. Positioning is even more crucial as any delay will likely mean you have less time to react, for a number of reasons. By far, some mechanics are easier to overcome with these tactics, but when all else fails, you have to rely on the predictability of most MMO boss encounters. If Titan's pools come 15 seconds after his line AoE, start moving 14 seconds after the line AoE. Yes some times you'll still get caught out, and these aren't fool proof in anyway but it is better than sitting on your hands waiting on a European data center, right?

Heck, I can even walk into AoEs as they 'go off' on my screen because I can reliably predict when it is going off server side because of being extensively exposed to 'crippling' lag that makes encounters 'impossible'.

Edit: For the record, I am not saying that you're a bad player, just that there are probably things you haven't tried/exhausted that are within your power given the situation. If you can host/maintain a data center in Europe, then you could probably get the latency fixed, however if you can't this 'issue' is likely to be around for awhile.

[Jynxii]

Oh btw, just noticed you live in Australia but you play on a JP server, much closer to you.
Nice try in trying to make your point.

And yet some Australian ISPs actually get worse latency to JP servers than they do NA servers. You do realise latency isn't based solely on geographical locations right? Especially when it crosses oceans. You also imply that I have never played any other MMO which hasn't had JP servers. Hot tip: Most MMOs (that reach the western market) get European and NA servers only.

Nice try attempting to discredit me in order to support your points though.

Edit: Also like to highlight that players with significantly lower latency than what even the best AU connections achieve to JP servers complain about latency being the big factor for why they fail things. I'd love to play with 100ms (in any MMO), but a life of ~260ms is what most Australians get in most MMOs.

This is a great example of why bad/average players never get better; they blame everything completely on lag, ignore any of their short comings, and don't attempt to come up with ways to work around what they can't change.

[Azrael]

And yet some Australian ISPs actually get worse latency to JP servers than they do NA servers.

Right, I'm pretty sure you choose JP server just because you like playing with them, with a huge language barrier, prefering them to an english speaking server, right?
Surely not because of latency, right?
Ok.