Not being able to buy single items from a stack on the marketward.

[Besamel]

I don't see this getting any better tbh, clearly a lot of people don't care about the buyer, some of the comments in this thread is proof enough of that.

I've defended the way it is because I believe that the seller should be making a decision about how they use the market. i.e. not to disadvantage the buyer, but to ensure that the seller has some control and is not disadvantaged. As some have said, they sell singles for slightly higher prices and discount for bulk. That kind of dynamic can't exist when people can pick out what they want from stacks at the discounted price. It would actually result in singles disappearing from the market.

Sellers need to be smart about their wares and learn what products will sell in quantity, what will only sell in singles e.t.c. I expect that this will mature over time.

Everyone posting here buys things from the market as well.

[Sotek]

So it doesn't matter if my money is the only money on the market, clearly I'm not the only buyer, but don't active I'm the only one with this mindset. Any amount of people refusing to buy because its inconvenient for them is money lost to sellers.

I'm not acting like you're the only one with this mindset, I'm saying all of you fools are inconsequential because like I said; items are still moving quickly without all of you. For that matter, items are still moving quickly without all the buyers who are 1017'ing.

Money lost is not an inconvenience for me, the seller, because I've not lost any money selling, because everything has still been selling, usually within hours. Even when if I do end up waiting for something to sell, you know what that means? Not "Oh this market system sucks", it means "I better change my approach" because that is how any games market works. If you were picking what you need off a stack, I'd only have one sales option for anything, and so would all my competition, and that just leads to rampant undercutting which is not convenient for me. Give the damn system some time, like I said, some people can't even log in yet, and you're expecting a stable and convenient market? I can do nothing but laugh at that notion, sorry. A lot of sellers simply haven't learned what quantities move best yet, a lot more sellers are still trying to profit off buyers impatience.

Having only one sales option is nothing but an inconvenience for the seller. You're never going to convince me otherwise. If you could pick off what you need, instead of outsmarting them with a better price/quantity set up, I'd be stuck undercutting my competition, and being undercut by my competition. That is how I'd be losing money, not by having a handful of you rage level your Disciples of Land.

[Lghikas]

In no way am I in favor of allowing buyers to just buy a limited number of the stack I have up for sale. Now I'm okay if they want to put in an option for the seller to let a buyer buy a select amount if they want too. But to simply allow buyers to buy whatever amount they want to, is asinine.

If you want to buy something in much smaller stacks, buy only from the people that sell them that way. Most people, that are semi-intelligent and want to make money, will/should adapt to whatever the demand is out there for. I'm willing to bet if someone EVERYONE stopped buying larger stacks, you would start seeing more smaller stacks pop up quickly.

And honestly to really complain about the economy in terms of what is up there and for how much at this point in time is pointless. Some things are stabilizing but just with in the passed week I've seen stuff go from 1-2k gil fall all the way down to 1-2 gil.

[Ormathon]

If people can buy single items from stacks the prices would crash, and the low price sniping would get silly since everyone will just take down and put back up their stuff for a lower price so they can sell 1 item from their 99 stack.
I put up items in diffrent stacks just for this reason, so people who want 1-2-4-5-10 items can get their items in the amount they want.

So overall - Letting people buy single items from a stack will harm the market more then help it. Its all up to the sellers if they want to spend abit of extra time to spread out the quantity of their items.

[Mishaela]

no most people will either sucking up and buy it or walk away. Kuz when you think about it, if I need 4 ore, at best I can craft whatever I'm trying to craft twice and then have 2 left over that I can't to anything with. So while your inventory is sparkely clean, mine is full of crap that I don't need. And knowing that's gonna happen, I'm not buying.

So why don't you sell the leftovers if you can't spare one of your 450 storage slots for those ore, is that so difficult?

clearly a lot of people don't care about the buyer, some of the comments in this thread is proof enough of that.

This is hilarious.

If anything, comments in this thread defending this system are from people who are taking extra effort to try to sell things in convenient quantities for buyers like you. Sure, that's not representative of everyone and there are definitely sellers out there who are not selling in a convenient manner, I see their listings, too, but you know whose fault that is? Theirs, not SE's.

[Tirocupidus]

I didn't like this at first, but I've been swayed, and think it's a good system for those who research what they sell. True, it can be frustrating for a buyer to see stacks of things when they need only 1 or 2, but that just means there's a hole in the market that someone can fill, and it could easily be that buyer. Look at it as an opportunity (but only if you've unlocked retainers...).

[Kilandros]

I like but I dont at the same time...Its inconvenient to have to post multiple items if you are undercutting somebody instead of an entire stack that people could purchase from the stack.

[Almalexia]

If anything, comments in this thread defending this system are from people who are taking extra effort to try to sell things in convenient quantities for buyers like you. Sure, that's not representative of everyone and there are definitely sellers out there who are not selling in a convenient manner, I see their listings, too, but you know whose fault that is? Theirs, not SE's.

They are taking the "extra effort" because they have to, not because they are concerned for the buyer. SE's system prohibits a more convenient approach of simply putting the whole lot you have for sale in a single market slot. Sellers aren't doing us any favors; they just don't have a choice. It's play by the new rules or don't play at all.

[Sotek]

They are taking the "extra effort" because they have to, not because they are concerned for the buyer. SE's system prohibits a more convenient approach of simply putting the whole lot you have for sale in a single market slot. Sellers aren't doing us any favors; they just don't have a choice. It's play by the new rules or don't play at all.

And the new rules are better for us.

If people can take what they want from a stack, there is only one price for an item. You put up a stack at the same price, or much more likely undercutting, everyone else, and that's that. Buyers slowly chip away at it.
Now, there are (in theory) multiple prices. There are more options for sellers and buyers. The bigger the stack, the cheaper it should be (and again, games not a month old, give the market some damn time to stabilize...). Smart sellers can work out the best/fastest way to profit. Smart buyers benefit too, unlike reality the stacks you buy on the Market Board don't have "Not for individual resale" stamped across them...

As a seller, I'm playing by the new rules because they are better for me, not because I have to. If you can chip away at a stack though, then I have to conform to a single price and I pretty much have to undercut in order to sell items faster. If they changed it back to how it was in 1.0, then I'd have no choice in the matter, not the other way around. There is a reason we're defending this system...

As it is, I can move items faster and generally at a greater profit, while putting extra effort in to be nicer to buyers... So again, I'm playing by the new rules and putting in the extra effort for the buyer because I want to and because it's vastly better for me than 1.0s system. Items move faster, and generally at a greater profit. There is nothing wrong with this new system, the only thing wrong is people expecting a stable game economy weeks into launch.

[Kiara]

The current features of the market wards were created based on discussions held between the market planning team and Yoshida. The market wards were set up in this way so that it would be possible to create differences between players who check the market and those that do not, by allowing the person placing items onto the market to research the current demand and sell an amount of items that are easy to buy.

To: Camate & the FF 14 Team,

While I would prefer the 1.0 system of buying Singles out of a Stack that has been put up (unless the Seller explicitly wants to sell the whole stack), another HUGE downfall to this system is the way it allows RMT (or heavy undercutters) to "blockade" the Search Results. So far, on some popular items, hitting the Market Search will result in this:

* Price / Quantity / Retainer *
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
79 / 1 / Rlkjadfs
etc.

Then after that, ANOTHER retainer selling 1 of each item that looks like an RMT's retainer at the same price. As a result, the first 40 (FORTY) spaces of a Search Results are taken up by this. Most players will just pick whatever's on top and buy what they want. As a result, we're seeing RMT or nasty Undercutters basically "spam / blocking" the Search Results and controlling the market.

And we STILL haven't received a good way to just find "HQ" Items without manually scrolling all the way down to the bottom of a list (if we're lucky enough that there are HQ that survive the search results).

This will only get worse when more players join / PS4 launches.

Can you at least make it so only 1 Retainer takes up *1* Search Result Slot?