Not being able to buy single items from a stack on the marketward.

[SomeFatGalka]

As a DoL and a DoH when i choose to sell a stack of item X it means i am selling you the stack. I often sell a stack for much less then if i was selling 1 at a time, as a bulk deal. Meaning i sell 1 of X for 500gil for example, or a stack of X for about 300gil each. So my profit here is selling you the full stack rather then 1 by 1. So no i do not agree to having people peck at a stack i am selling and taking it for no profit to me. You should be requesting people to sell single's of an item that's fine and i do that often. But asking for what you are, no thank you. I rather just sell it the the Npc for low profit then give it away!

EDIT: Last sentence

I think I understand where you're coming from

Liberating a sales spot by selling the whole stack at once for a lesser price simplifies your life. Don't have to keep track of anything or wait to sell 1 at a time x 99 times
But are you taking into consideration that maybe 15/99 might get sold individually before someone buys out the remaining 84?

Selling 1 at a time doesn't hinder the stack being sold as a whole. It would just convenience more people.

[IveraIvalice]

you can go into details about how this is beneficial to the economy and how it adds more depth to the marketing system.
but this is the bottom line:
if i have to buy more then i need, im not buying it.
so tell me how thats benefiting the economy or the seller?
kuz they're not getting my money.

if i can chip off a stack of items to get only what i need, you as a seller have a much better chance of having your items sold
the only difference is that you will get the money over time in stead of all at once

[Sotek]

so tell me how thats benefiting the economy or the seller?
kuz they're not getting my money.

And your money is the only money that matters, amirite?

Stacks of "more than I need" can and do sell, you not buying them doesn't hurt the economy in the slightest because someone out there is, and they're pretty quick too. You know what I was doing in 1.0? I was stuck selling stacks and letting people pick off only what they need. You know what that left me with? A lot of partly sold stacks cluttering up my Retainer. I'll be the first one to complain about Retainer clutter now, but it's better than it was...

You can either buy the stacks at the specified quantity, or someone else can, but there is no way in hell you're going to convince me that having multiple stacks that are slowly chipped away at is better for me, because it quite simply isn't.

[Jinko]

And your money is the only money that matters, amirite?.

Of course its not, but that's kind of digging your head in the sand isn't it.

Cause if one person is willing to do this, more are, including myself, so if you are happy to sit by whilst a large portion of your "customers" go elsewhere or gather it themselves then you are only hindering yourself at the end of the day, but keep on fighting the good fight, maybe in 2 weeks someone will buy your stack of 99 items and it will have all been worth it.

[Sotek]

Of course its not, but that's kind of digging your head in the sand isn't it.

Cause if one person is willing to do this, more are, including myself, so if you are happy to sit by whilst a large portion of your "customers" go elsewhere or gather it themselves then you are only hindering yourself at the end of the day, but keep on fighting the good fight, maybe in 2 weeks someone will buy your stack of 99 items and it will have all been worth it.

Who says I'm selling in 99s? So far I haven't really had to wait more than 2 days for anything to sell (heck, some are moving in hours and those were stacks of 99), so yeah... You can keep throwing your hyperbolic ideas of how long it takes items to sell just because you're not buying it, and I'll keep selling it in no time at all without you.

Having a market where individual items have varying values based on quantity is still better for me. Having a market where people can't slowly pick away at my stacks is still better for me. The only downside you people seem to come up with is that stuff wont sell fast enough, which so far is an out right fabrication, in my experience, so good luck convincing me otherwise.

The current system rewards smart sellers, the old one simply did not. You know what problem buyers have at the moment? That the game is just out the gates and the economy hasn't really become stable yet (if anything has slowed my sales rates, it has been rampant price fluctuations). That's it. There is no fault with the current system, just more impatience from the Final Fantasy XIV forum community. You can't buy items at the price/stack size you want yet? Do tell me more about that while some people still can't even log into the damn game.

[Felix7007]

"The new market system is more in depth": True

Because there are new techniques you can employ that take advantage of the broken system and the people who encompass it.

[IveraIvalice]

Who says I'm selling in 99s? So far I haven't really had to wait more than 2 days for anything to sell (heck, some are moving in hours and those were stacks of 99), so yeah... You can keep throwing your hyperbolic ideas of how long it takes items to sell just because you're not buying it, and I'll keep selling it in no time at all without you.

Having a market where individual items have varying values based on quantity is still better for me. Having a market where people can't slowly pick away at my stacks is still better for me. The only downside you people seem to come up with is that stuff wont sell fast enough, which so far is an out right fabrication, in my experience, so good luck convincing me otherwise.

The current system rewards smart sellers, the old one simply did not. You know what problem buyers have at the moment? That the game is just out the gates and the economy hasn't really become stable yet (if anything has slowed my sales rates, it has been rampant price fluctuations). That's it. There is no fault with the current system, just more impatience from the Final Fantasy XIV forum community. You can't buy items at the price/stack size you want yet? Do tell me more about that while some people still can't even log into the damn game.

The down side is very simple, it's not convenient. The average buyer just wants to buy something because its quick, Lot quicker the going out and getting it yourself. But also the average buyer doesn't have a ton of cash to throw around. Remember the game is geared more towards the casual community.

Having the system that we have now means a lot of casual players won't want to buy anything because they simply don't have enough money. No one goes up to the marks saying, "cool I need 4 electrum ore but the smallest amount is a stack of 10. He'll yeah! I love buying 6 more ore then I need "

no most people will either sucking up and buy it or walk away. Kuz when you think about it, if I need 4 ore, at best I can craft whatever I'm trying to craft twice and then have 2 left over that I can't to anything with. So while your inventory is sparkely clean, mine is full of crap that I don't need. And knowing that's gonna happen, I'm not buying.

So it doesn't matter if my money is the only money on the market, clearly I'm not the only buyer, but don't active I'm the only one with this mindset. Any amount of people refusing to buy because its inconvenient for them is money lost to sellers.

[TheRealBob]

The market should take care of this; as time goes on people will start selling smaller stacks for slightly higher per-item prices. Most people (myself included) are willing to pay a bit extra to get the items in a quantity we want. Heck, if you can't find anyone doing it already, do it yourself and make a killing!

This definitely isn't something that needs to be changed from a software perspective.

[Jinko]

The market should take care of this; as time goes on people will start selling smaller stacks for slightly higher per-item prices. Most people (myself included) are willing to pay a bit extra to get the items in a quantity we want. Heck, if you can't find anyone doing it already, do it yourself and make a killing!

This definitely isn't something that needs to be changed from a software perspective.

People keep saying this but I actually see the opposite happening on Excalibur.

Things like logs and ore are being sold in stacks of 99 now this is fine if you are levelling a craft and need a large quantity but if you only want to make 1 or 2 items you don't want a whole stack.

I don't see this getting any better tbh, clearly a lot of people don't care about the buyer, some of the comments in this thread is proof enough of that.

[TheRealBob]

People keep saying this but I actually see the opposite happening on Excalibur.

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Point well taken, although I think it's still early to make any clear decisions on the matter.

I was attempting to point out that this should go away with time as sellers realize that there is a market (and potentially more profitable one) in selling smaller stacks of items. If anything, perhaps increasing the number of items one can have up for sale at a single time would help alleviate this (I'm assuming that's the problem since I haven't played around with the market much yet). I imagine as the number of people leveling like mad dies down, the stack sizes people are willing, or able, to sell will trend smaller.

Like I mentioned earlier, sounds like there could potentially be a lot of gil to be made by selling smaller stacks--why not exploit the market yourself before things get more competitive?