This is why quest markers make the game for 2 year olds

[Arcell]

I'm not going to gimp myself in order to make the game more challenging. I will make use of all the tools that they provide me with.

Not using the map function is like suggesting I use a low level weapon to make fights more challenging instead of keeping my gear up to date. Or covering my HP bar with a piece of paper so I have to guess how much health I have left.

Not really because you can generally get all the info you need from reading the quest text. How would not using it be any different than it not existing?

[ManekiKanji]

Anything that ensures i wont ever be going outside the game to a community website for information is fine by me, thats where the immersion is completly broken for me, its not needed for stuff like obvious locations within a city so much, but out in the middle of a place as big as any of the 3 areas such as thanalan, thats for the most part a bland big area with no real landmarks aside from camps helps enough to stop me poping outside the game quickly and back in real quickly. Im sure there was hundreds of times within playing Xi where this instance occurred for me and many. Mabey a toggle could be added if this ever gets to be a major issue for them to put time aside to develop.

[Ilean]

I said "Do they think we're lazy and stupid?" not "EVERYONE IS LAZY AND STUPID!!". I assume everyone isn't lazy and stupid, but the game ENCOURAGES us to be that way, why? I don't want to be lazy, I don't want to be handheld to level50/75/100/whatever. Do you? I want to feel challenged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...introduce_bias

[Sephr]

Jesus, do you not even see the irony in what you're posting? It's more insulting to my intelligence that you're implying that I'm learning anything off a damn game. Being able to see a marker isn't going to affect my personality and make me a lazier person or whatever.

Seriously, who cares? Go do something else instead of whining about something so utterly insignificant.

EDIT: Also, your idea of a 'challenge' has been warped by FFXI. Having to look things up in an online wiki is not a challenge. Of course you might argue that you NEVER USED ONE and did it ALL BY YOURSELF, to which I would say; BS.

[Nabiri]

I don't like the markers because
A) I don't find them necessary... I'm "one of them readers" who likes to take in what the NPC is telling me, follow the clues and figure things out for myself.
B) They're an eye-sore to me adding more clutter to the game world than, I think, is needed.
C) They have this tendency to make it feel less like a "world" where these NPCs are actual citizens, and more like a "game" where they're simply cardboard cut-out quest dispensers.

That said... I know there are others who find them handy, even necessary (sad as I find it in those cases). And so I could live with them being there..

I would just request an option to toggle them on or off. This way those who like to have them up can have them. Those of us who don't can hide them.

Everyone's happy.

I don't mind them being on my map, but I would prefer they not be floating over NPCs heads. I would make use of an option to turn them off.

[Irondude]

Talk about highfalutin (marginal troll), The game Journal and maps are a huge improvement over 11. Its a game, try to keep that in mind. Nobody is babying you. Lazy is not mowing the yard and playing ffxiv all Saturday , your talking about "helpful" the game is too "helpful" what a terrible crime......

[Naylia]

So there are a variety of quest types already in the game and hopefully they will use the various mechanisms to offer more challenging content in the future, as well as add new quest mechanisms:

Side Quest types:
- Instanced - you get to a region and it puts you in an instance for a special battle - Location to enter instance marked on map - in this case you pretty much need to stand on the exact spot to trigger so map makes sense - challenge should be via difficult/interesting battle

- Kill X Special Mobs quest - the spot indicated is the exact location of the special mob type - challenge should be via diffiuclt/interesting battle with unique mob

- Kill X Normal Mobs quest - the spot indicated is the general region for the normal mobs (ie...Galagos near Tranquil) - apparently challenge is in finding X of the normal mob, which are suddenly hunted to extinction

- Visit NPC quests - the spot indicated is the exact spot - this type of quest I'd like to see switched to general region marker, with the use of clues to identify who I might need to talk to

That's all I can think of, there may be more types...

[Shai]

It really isn't. Its more like taking an exam with the answer written right after the question.

It really isn't. Exams are something you take that get graded and count towards your progression as a student or success in a field. They actually mean something because they are testing you on your knowledge or ability.

Quests are something you do for fun. They don't matter at all. You could just as easily not do them, or not look at the answer, and still have just as much fun (assuming you have fun in different aspects of an MMO or RPG). Perhaps you do quests as a hobby, or simply to pass the time.

Sometimes Quests are something in your way from a goal, and you don't think they're fun. You just want to get "Hand of the Gods" and you don't give 2 cents about a sleeping Elezen kid. You just want someone to basically do the Quest for you as quickly as possible so you can get to your goal.

So you see, Quests and Exams are nothing alike. I hate bad analogies.

[Shai]

There's a good example that disproves this.
There's a quest in gridania in which a follower of a god asks you to find certain NPCs and hear their sins. He gives you clues as to where to find them.

Then you click the map button and it tells you exactly where they are.

Reducing what could have been a rewarding quest into go run to that place I'm pointing out and come back.

Well, you could have simply not looked at the Journal Map and wandered all around and not robbed yourself of that reward just as easily. You should have known the map would show you exactly where they are. It has every time before that.

Also it's nothing like not looking at your HP bar for additional challenge. You're complaining about a thing that's optional.

I don't even have a word for that.

[DNO]

The only thing i hate is your posts complaining about everything. Shiyo you are MY quest marker. i want it gone!!!!!

OT they are not bothering anyone so please shhhhhhhhhh forever.......

Also SE is not stupid.. every single person looked online for where to go next in every quest in FF11.... and they know that. why make us do that again? Modern MMos are fun not time sinks. Also Shiyo if you played FF11 you used the external quest marker all the time just like everybody esle (a PC and a site call ala)